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**BLK2012GT** · 08-22-2013, 08:58 PM

He's the first person outside of GM to drive. Still looks slow.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc-T...embedded#at=64

**rriddle3** · 08-22-2013, 09:10 PM

Only 100 lbs less than the SS, no standard a/c, no power seat, no auto transmission, 'at least' 500 HP...price north of $56,000.
Not for me.

**faztcobra** · 08-25-2013, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by rriddle3

Only 100 lbs less than the SS, no standard a/c, no power seat, no auto transmission, 'at least' 500 HP...price north of $56,000.
Not for me.

For that, you'd be in GT500 territory, with much better options. I'd take the Boss over that.

**Dominic Toretto** · 08-27-2013, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by faztcobra

For that, you'd be in GT500 territory, with much better options. I'd take the Boss over that.

This car is obviously not aimed at the GT500. I'd easily take this over a Boss. Let's see:

56 more horsepower Advantage = Z/28

Almost 100 more ft/lbs of torque Advantage = Z/28

Undoubtedly a far sooner power delivery from the LS7 Advantage = Z/28

Power to weight for Boss is 444/3580= 0.124hp/lb, Z/28 is 500/3760 = 0.133 Advantage = Z/28

255/285s on the Boss means 1080 total contact patch, Z/28 is 1220 = Advantage Z/28

Torque to weight for Boss is 380/3580=0.106tq/lb, 470/3760= 0.125 = Advantage Z/28

Oh and just adding the Camaro comes standard with carbon ceramic brakes. Those will outperform the brakes on a GT500 all day and night.

Oh and who runs the AC while racing? Man I understand this is a Mustang site but damn the delusion is strong in this thread.

-Alex

blownaltered · 08-28-2013, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto

This car is obviously not aimed at the GT500. I'd easily take this over a Boss. Let's see:

56 more horsepower Advantage = Z/28

Almost 100 more ft/lbs of torque Advantage = Z/28

Undoubtedly a far sooner power delivery from the LS7 Advantage = Z/28

Power to weight for Boss is 444/3580= 0.124hp/lb, Z/28 is 500/3760 = 0.133 Advantage = Z/28

255/285s on the Boss means 1080 total contact patch, Z/28 is 1220 = Advantage Z/28

Torque to weight for Boss is 380/3580=0.106tq/lb, 470/3760= 0.125 = Advantage Z/28

Oh and just adding the Camaro comes standard with carbon ceramic brakes. Those will outperform the brakes on a GT500 all day and night.

Oh and who runs the AC while racing? Man I understand this is a Mustang site but damn the delusion is strong in this thread.

-Alex

I'm trying to figure out why you switched cars in the middle of your comparison. You started with the gt500 then went to the Boss, then back to the gt500. If your trying to compare two cars you might want to use the stats from those cars and not add in a different one half way through. Your results are not accurate when you do that.

**Stangmaster281** · 08-29-2013, 12:48 AM

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto

This car is obviously not aimed at the GT500. I'd easily take this over a Boss. Let's see:

56 more horsepower Advantage = Z/28

Almost 100 more ft/lbs of torque Advantage = Z/28

Undoubtedly a far sooner power delivery from the LS7 Advantage = Z/28

Power to weight for Boss is 444/3580= 0.124hp/lb, Z/28 is 500/3760 = 0.133 Advantage = Z/28

255/285s on the Boss means 1080 total contact patch, Z/28 is 1220 = Advantage Z/28

Torque to weight for Boss is 380/3580=0.106tq/lb, 470/3760= 0.125 = Advantage Z/28

Oh and just adding the Camaro comes standard with carbon ceramic brakes. Those will outperform the brakes on a GT500 all day and night.

Oh and who runs the AC while racing? Man I understand this is a Mustang site but damn the delusion is strong in this thread.

-Alex

Some pretty close stats for a car that's been discontinued compared to a car that is not even out in the market yet. For the amount of money I pay for a z/28 I could get a tune, intake, and better brakes on the boss and put that z/28 to shame. And not to mention more than enough money left over for a supercharger. Or I could buy a vette and still have a better car than the z/28. It's performance does not justify how much that sucker costs. Delusional no, common sense, yes. Besides what do you care about carbon ceramic brakes, I thought you "lived your life a 1/4 mile at a time" Mr. Toretto? Lol

**Dominic Toretto** · 08-29-2013, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by Stangmaster281

Some pretty close stats for a car that's been discontinued compared to a car that is not even out in the market yet. For the amount of money I pay for a z/28 I could get a tune, intake, and better brakes on the boss and put that z/28 to shame. And not to mention more than enough money left over for a supercharger. Or I could buy a vette and still have a better car than the z/28. It's performance does not justify how much that sucker costs. Delusional no, common sense, yes. Besides what do you care about carbon ceramic brakes, I thought you "lived your life a 1/4 mile at a time" Mr. Toretto? Lol

And I could buy a salvaged 240Z for $3k, invest $15 and humiliate every Mustang on this forum.

If this is going to be the consensus argument, then everyone on here is seriously wasting money on $30k Mustangs. I think everyone should go out and buy some Pontiac Fieros with LS1 swaps and call it a day.

-Alex

re-rx7 · 08-25-2013, 02:38 PM

Thats extremely pricey. Shit anything handles with 305's all the way around.

**Dominic Toretto** · 08-27-2013, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by re-rx7

Thats extremely pricey. Shit anything handles with 305's all the way around.

Early model Vipers have 335s in the back and 275s in the front. Just sayin.

-Alex

blownaltered · 08-25-2013, 08:19 PM

60k and no a/c, I'm good. That is one over prices car.

re-rx7 · 08-25-2013, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by blownaltered

60k and no a/c, I'm good. That is one over prices car.

Granted limited run cars are a bitch to make but still.

re-rx7 · 08-27-2013, 10:42 PM

And your point being? I said 305's.

**Dominic Toretto** · 08-27-2013, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by re-rx7

And your point being? I said 305's.

Bigger tires doesn't automatically mean a car will handle better. Thought that point was obvious.

The C7 has 275s in the back and handles better than the Grandsport with 325s.

A Honda S2000 will out handle most of the cars on this forum around a track and has very small tires.

-Alex

re-rx7 · 08-28-2013, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto

Bigger tires doesn't automatically mean a car will handle better. Thought that point was obvious.

The C7 has 275s in the back and handles better than the Grandsport with 325s.

A Honda S2000 will out handle most of the cars on this forum around a track and has very small tires.

-Alex

S2k small tires? No shit? !! Wait. Doesn't it weigh 500lbs less? Bigger tires offer more contact patch so most likely any car will handle better with wider tires.

**Dominic Toretto** · 08-28-2013, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by blownaltered

I'm trying to figure out why you switched cars in the middle of your comparison. You started with the gt500 then went to the Boss, then back to the gt500. If your trying to compare two cars you might want to use the stats from those cars and not add in a different one half way through. Your results are not accurate when you do that.

Huh? Uh, all of the stats except the very last one were in comparison to the Boss 302. Quick review of my own post:

This car is obviously not aimed at the GT500. I'd easily take this over a Boss. Let's see: (As stated, not in comparison to a GT500 lol)

56 more horsepower Advantage = Z/28(Uh the Z/28 has far less power than a GT500, so NOT in comparison to a GT500 lol)

Almost 100 more ft/lbs of torque Advantage = Z/28(Uh the Z/28 doesn't have more torque than a GT500, so not comparing to the GT500 lol)

Undoubtedly a far sooner power delivery from the LS7 Advantage = Z/28(Still comparing the Z/28 to the Boss 302 since this is obviously not in comparison to the GT500 lol)

Power to weight for Boss is 444/3580= 0.124hp/lb, Z/28 is 500/3760 = 0.133 Advantage = Z/28(Again, this isn't true to a GT500 since that car weighs more than 3580lbs lol)

255/285s on the Boss means 1080 total contact patch, Z/28 is 1220 = Advantage Z/28(As stated in the sentence... Boss, not GT500)

Torque to weight for Boss is 380/3580=0.106tq/lb, 470/3760= 0.125 = Advantage Z/28(Not being compared to the GT500 since it makes far more than 380ft lbs of torque... oh and I said Boss in the sentence)

Oh and just adding the Camaro comes standard with carbon ceramic brakes. Those will outperform the brakes on a GT500 all day and night.(Just through that in there to point out that this car comes standard with better brakes than Ford's best Mustang so obviously the brakes would humiliate those on the "medium" level car)

Oh and who runs the AC while racing? Man I understand this is a Mustang site but damn the delusion is strong in this thread.

-Alex

Originally Posted by re-rx7

S2k small tires? No shit? !! Wait. Doesn't it weigh 500lbs less? Bigger tires offer more contact patch so most likely any car will handle better with wider tires.

Wow, so when you comparison shop for tires, you make your decisions solely by the width for full performance aspects? You don't take into account the tires intended purpose, sidewall, manufacturer, tread design or anything else. How the fuck do you think a Corvette with smaller tires handles BETTER than a Corvette with larger tires? I guess it's safe to assume then that you would prefer to have 255 Bridgestone Blizzaks over a 225 Toyo Proxes R888 for a roadcourse lol. The Blizzaks are wider than the R888s, so they must be better for autocross and drag right LOL?

-Alex