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**Dominic Toretto** · 10-18-2013, 06:19 PM

This is going to upset all of the Ford elitests but, just sayin...

40. Camaro Z/28 7:37.47 162 '13 507 / 1702
53. Ford GT 7:40.60 161 '04 550 / 1538

-Alex

**03MachMe** · 10-19-2013, 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto

This is going to upset all of the Ford elitests but, just sayin...

40. Camaro Z/28 7:37.47 162 '13 507 / 1702
53. Ford GT 7:40.60 161 '04 550 / 1538

-Alex

Tech in 2013> Tech in 2004

I understand why it doesnt have radio or A/C but people compare it to the Boss and its not even in the same catigory. A Boss, even the LS, is a track capable street car. the new Z/28 is a track car that you can get to pass inspection to drive on the street. still cant outrun that ugly, dont matter how fast it is

**Dominic Toretto** · 10-19-2013, 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by 03MachMe

still cant outrun that ugly, dont matter how fast it is

True. I'm still not sold on the look. It kinda looks bloated to me. I was hoping the new changes would make it more trim, like what Ford did with the Mustang in 2010 as opposed to the blocky-looking style.

-Alex

**Dominic Toretto** · 10-19-2013, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by 03MachMe

people compare it to the Boss and its not even in the same catigory.

Not in the same category? I guess that depends on what personal category you come up with for each car. I see both as limited production, purpose built track pony cars, so they are absolutely in that same category.

Both have:

Limited production numbers
Track oriented engines
Naturally aspirated, high revving engines
Track tuned suspension
Better brakes that their more streetable counterparts
Weight savings
Upgraded aero
Cost more

-Alex

**03MachMe** · 10-19-2013, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto

Not in the same category? I guess that depends on what personal category you come up with for each car. I see both as limited production, purpose built track pony cars, so they are absolutely in that same category.

Both have:

Limited production numbers
Track oriented engines
Naturally aspirated, high revving engines
Track tuned suspension
Better brakes that their more streetable counterparts
Weight savings
Upgraded aero
Cost more

-Alex

like I said the boss is a street car that is capible at the track, IE has a radio, a/c, sync, etc. The Z28 is a track car, no creature comforts, that passes inspection so you can also drive on the street. The Boss is very easily a daily driver car where as unless you live in a perfect climate and dont listen to radio, the z/28 would be a horrible daily driver. PLUS its about $25k more than the boss.....

**Dominic Toretto** · 10-20-2013, 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by 03MachMe

like I said the boss is a street car that is capible at the track, IE has a radio, a/c, sync, etc. The Z28 is a track car, no creature comforts, that passes inspection so you can also drive on the street. The Boss is very easily a daily driver car where as unless you live in a perfect climate and dont listen to radio, the z/28 would be a horrible daily driver. PLUS its about $25k more than the boss.....

Price has nothing to do with how streetable (or trackable for that matter) a car may or may not be, so that factor is is more or less dependent on how much your income is and your budget.

Besides, it's not like you can't add AC and a radio when buying a Z/28, so really that point doesn't really seem feasible. If Chevy was saying "No we will not for any reason install AC or a radio", then I could see your argument legitimately. But since both cars can be bought with AC and a radio, kind of a wash.

Here's a USED 2012 Boss 302 LS for $47,000.
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...gIndex=9&Log=0

-Alex

**03MachMe** · 10-20-2013, 03:52 AM

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto

Price has nothing to do with how streetable (or trackable for that matter) a car may or may not be, so that factor is is more or less dependent on how much your income is and your budget.

Besides, it's not like you can't add AC and a radio when buying a Z/28, so really that point doesn't really seem feasible. If Chevy was saying "No we will not for any reason install AC or a radio", then I could see your argument legitimately. But since both cars can be bought with AC and a radio, kind of a wash.

Here's a USED 2012 Boss 302 LS for $47,000.
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...gIndex=9&Log=0

-Alex

and Gary bought his used 2012 Boss LS for $40,000.... not sure what your point is? I'm still not sure what you are trying to argue here. We all agree that the z/28 is a fast car but once again it is 25k more expensive than a Boss was brand new so I would expect it to be faster.

**Dominic Toretto** · 10-20-2013, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by 03MachMe

and Gary bought his used 2012 Boss LS for $40,000.... not sure what your point is? I'm still not sure what you are trying to argue here. We all agree that the z/28 is a fast car but once again it is 25k more expensive than a Boss was brand new so I would expect it to be faster.

My point is that both cars are in the same category. Your arguments that they are not are because A) no AC or radio and B) price. As stated, I don't see that being valid when you can get a Z/28 with both AC and a radio to make the car as comfortable as a Boss 302 and people have paid upwards of $50k for the Boss 302. So that makes both cars equal performers in price and comfort.

-Alex