What should I do? K&N CAI vs. Stock Box & Others

[DirtyD]

Originally Posted by downtime! One of HPP's customer cars went 5.60 on Friday night at Northstar on his second run ever in the car. I'd say track prep is/was pretty good.

Yeah, I met up with Robert today and he said that they were doing bracket and jr dragster there last night, so that's one reason why the track prep was better than normal

[Oxford14Stang]

Originally Posted by downtime! One of HPP's customer cars went 5.60 on Friday night at Northstar on his second run ever in the car. I'd say track prep is/was pretty good.

Okay I don't know how to put this, they prep the track whenever a badass car pulls up to the line, like trailer queens, dragsters, race bikes, shit like that. For your test & tune cars, and or street cars they don't do shit!! on top of all that rebelracer who lives across the street from the track, and has been racing there since he was a kid in jr dragsters took professional pictures on the track(as you'd see on the facebook page when he posted some pics up), and when he walked the track he said the track was coming apart, pieces just breaking and cracking all over the track. So you can't tell me that northstar has "good prepping" they've got a select few times that they do prep. if you'd like i'll post the video of in-car-cam of me running down the track and losing traction hitting third gear going sideways at 70mph. That is complete bullshit. I shouldn't have to lift off the gas twice to get my car straight more than half way down the track and run a 9.0

Originally Posted by DirtyD Yeah, I met up with Robert today and he said that they were doing bracket and jr dragster there last night, so that's one reason why the track prep was better than normal

that's the only time they ever do anything.

[downtime!]

Originally Posted by Oxford14Stang Okay I don't know how to put this, they prep the track whenever a badass car pulls up to the line, like trailer queens, dragsters, race bikes, shit like that. For your test & tune cars, and or street cars they don't do shit!! on top of all that rebelracer who lives across the street from the track, and has been racing there since he was a kid in jr dragsters took professional pictures on the track(as you'd see on the facebook page when he posted some pics up), and when he walked the track he said the track was coming apart, pieces just breaking and cracking all over the track. So you can't tell me that northstar has "good prepping" they've got a select few times that they do prep. if you'd like i'll post the video of in-car-cam of me running down the track and losing traction hitting third gear going sideways at 70mph. That is complete bullshit. I shouldn't have to lift off the gas twice to get my car straight more than half way down the track and run a 9.0 that's the only time they ever do anything.

I don't know how to put this, but it takes a solid 20 minutes to "prep" a lane, so no, they don't do it before a "hot" car comes to the line. They might spray a little extra VHT on the line, but if you watch, they do that after so many passes anyway. From the vid you posted, I'm going to say you were on street tires, and spinning on streets is not a matter of track prep, but of driver mod. You think you should be able to launch and keep it pinned like a race car? You modulate the amount of gas pedal to accommodate your current level of traction. If you're spinning, you feather the gas until it stops, and then get back into it, it's called "pedaling". And for the record, nothing, and I mean nothing, screws up a well prepped track like someone spinning their street tires half way down the track.

[DirtyD]

Originally Posted by downtime! I don't know how to put this, but it takes a solid 20 minutes to "prep" a lane, so no, they don't do it before a "hot" car comes to the line. They might spray a little extra VHT on the line, but if you watch, they do that after so many passes anyway. From the vid you posted, I'm going to say you were on street tires, and spinning on streets is not a matter of track prep, but of driver mod. You think you should be able to launch and keep it pinned like a race car? You modulate the amount of gas pedal to accommodate your current level of traction. If you're spinning, you feather the gas until it stops, and then get back into it, it's called "pedaling". And for the record, nothing, and I mean nothing, screws up a well prepped track like someone spinning their street tires half way down the track.

Jeff was even having trouble launching on DRs at a test and tune might. Beau couldn't get it to do much better. Hooking just wasn't happening.

[Oxford14Stang]

Originally Posted by downtime! I don't know how to put this, but it takes a solid 20 minutes to "prep" a lane, so no, they don't do it before a "hot" car comes to the line. They might spray a little extra VHT on the line, but if you watch, they do that after so many passes anyway. From the vid you posted, I'm going to say you were on street tires, and spinning on streets is not a matter of track prep, but of driver mod. You think you should be able to launch and keep it pinned like a race car? You modulate the amount of gas pedal to accommodate your current level of traction. If you're spinning, you feather the gas until it stops, and then get back into it, it's called "pedaling". And for the record, nothing, and I mean nothing, screws up a well prepped track like someone spinning their street tires half way down the track.

I'm not going to have a pissing contest with you. And you're correct, I was on street tires, matter of fact the stock shitty 235/55/18s that come on the car. As far as driver mod goes and launching the car, I was launching the car at roughly 2,000 rpms in the video you can see it hooked just fine in first gear. I didn't have problems until 2nd gear(which I let off and got back on) and than third gear(which IMO was bullshit) regardless of what kind of tires I'm on. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't a track suppose to have more grip than the streets? That's what I was always told. I'm not going to lie to you, I'm a newbie when it comes to the track, or track racing. I've always done street racing, and I can tell you, I broke loose at 70mph on the track, I'd be damned if I break loose and go sideways on the streets like that. I'm also well aware of the term "pedaling" my old man always referred to it as "feathering" and I understand and know that street tires screw up a so called well prepped track. But at the time I couldn't and sometimes people cant afford better tires. I'm ordering some 275s tomorrow they'll still be street tires but I have to work with what I got. And I don't want to sound like a dick or anything, and I'm not trying to start anything with you but everyone makes a big deal about hwy rolls or street racing but bitch when we actually go to the track with our street tires. Seems like it's a lose/lose situation. I've ran good times at the track, just so happens it's never happened again. I've ran a best of a 8.33 and ran consistent 8.4-8.6 all night long with the same setup I have now and same stock tires.

[KalEl370]

Originally Posted by DirtyD Yeah, I met up with Robert today and he said that they were doing bracket and jr dragster there last night, so that's one reason why the track prep was better than normal

Yea it was tough getting runs in. Only had a chance between jr dragsters and brackets. After a run or two they would call the jrs back up. Good meeting you Derek.