Differences in 11-12 and 13+ 5.0s

[kn7671]

Originally Posted by Steve Not everyone does the Saleen/boss mods. I purposely haven't done those because they are so popular and because I like the throwback to 68-70 fastback look. As for the lights, I don't think they belong on a muscle car. That's just a difference between our generations is all. I think the HIDS/LEDS belong on Hondas/Euro cars and don't look right on a muscle car. To me, it makes as much sense as putting Yenko stripes on a Civic. I also think the 13+ front ends make the Mustang look even bigger than it already is then people add these ridiculously big front end splitters that are completely nonfunctional to make the car look even bigger. It's just more fluff to appeal to the new generation is all that is all about "more". Muscle cars aren't about fluff, they are about performance.

Well in this regard, most of the wheels and tires we install are fluff as well, since 18's and 19's will generally out handle 20's. The fluff continues with the lowering springs, since you really only need better dampers for the street driving. It's continues more with axle back exhaust kits, all for noise, not power, or the GT500 spoilers, no spoilers, cowl hoods, Boss grilles, bar style grilles, tinted lights, quarter window louvers, etc...

What I'm trying to point out is that each piece has a unique meaning to each person, whether questionably functional or purely to be aesthetically pleasing, there is no clear way to define what should or should not belong.

If we truly only cared about muscle, we would have all adopted the basic Ford Fairmont body years ago and tossed in more powerful motors, full exhaust, and gears for an all in the name of... Whatever you call it...

[46Tbird]

Originally Posted by kn7671 If we truly only cared about muscle, we would have all adopted the basic Ford Fairmont body years ago and tossed in more powerful motors, full exhaust, and gears for an all in the name of... Whatever you call it...

Some of us DO do that.

I pulled up at a light next to a Ruby Red '14 GT last week. It was STUNNING. I was trying to give the guy a thumbs-up but he was either in his own world or ignoring me, lol.

[Grandpa]

Originally Posted by kn7671 Well in this regard, most of the wheels and tires we install are fluff as well, since 18's and 19's will generally out handle 20's. The fluff continues with the lowering springs, since you really only need better dampers for the street driving. It's continues more with axle back exhaust kits, all for noise, not power, or the GT500 spoilers, no spoilers, cowl hoods, Boss grilles, bar style grilles, tinted lights, quarter window louvers, etc... What I'm trying to point out is that each piece has a unique meaning to each person, whether questionably functional or purely to be aesthetically pleasing, there is no clear way to define what should or should not belong. If we truly only cared about muscle, we would have all adopted the basic Ford Fairmont body years ago and tossed in more powerful motors, full exhaust, and gears for an all in the name of... Whatever you call it...

As far as wheels go, I'll put up my 20's against anyone's 18/19 inch wheels on this board in regards to performance.

I don't considering lowering springs fluff at all. Yes, it's visually appealing, but lowering a car's center of gravity greatly improves handling. Our Mustangs handle like a boat at stock height.

Again, I disagree with your exhaust comment. Aftermarket exhaust greatly improves airflow and reduces back pressure therfor releasing more power. The added bonus is the muscle car tone can be modified to be more pleasing to the ear to sound like a muscle car, rather than quiet as a Camry in stock form.

I do agree with your statement in regards to visual mods though. All of that stuff is subjective to individual tastes.

Form follows function.

[re-rx7]

Originally Posted by Steve As far as wheels go, I'll put up my 20's against anyone's 18/19 inch wheels on this board in regards to performance. I don't considering lowering springs fluff at all. Yes, it's visually appealing, but lowering a car's center of gravity greatly improves handling. Our Mustangs handle like a boat at stock height. Again, I disagree with your exhaust comment. Aftermarket exhaust greatly improves airflow and reduces back pressure therfor releasing more power. The added bonus is the muscle car tone can be modified to be more pleasing to the ear to sound like a muscle car, rather than quiet as a Camry in stock form. I do agree with your statement in regards to visual mods though. All of that stuff is subjective to individual tastes. Form follows function.

Agrre with suspension. Lot of brake dive in these cars. Disagree with wheels comment. Stock to stock your big ass wheels vs my stock 18's will make a difference.

[Grandpa]

Originally Posted by re-rx7 Agrre with suspension. Lot of brake dive in these cars. Disagree with wheels comment. Stock to stock your big ass wheels vs my stock 18's will make a difference.

Do explain. If you explaination contains "I heard" I will ban you for the day. lol

[DirtyD]

Originally Posted by re-rx7 Stock to stock your big ass wheels vs my stock 18's will make a difference.

No, just no.

His wheels weight as much as your stock 18s do. The only thing Steve would be lacking in would be cornering ability as his sidewall is much shorter than yours, but it would be made up by the fact his tires have a full 2-3 inches more surface contact to the pavement than your 18s have.

rotating mass > static/unsprung (dead) mass all day long.

[BLK2012GT]

Originally Posted by DirtyD No, just no. His wheels weight as much as your stock 18s do. The only thing Steve would be lacking in would be cornering ability as his sidewall is much shorter than yours, but it would be made up by the fact his tires have a full 2-3 inches more surface contact to the pavement than your 18s have. rotating mass > static/unsprung (dead) mass all day long.

What about my 18's?

[re-rx7]

Originally Posted by BLK2012GT What about my 18's?

your a gd example of my theory. Theory.