Stock C6 vs. Stock 5.0

[DirtyD]

Originally Posted by GB_Stang I would definitely say it is a driver's race with the vette pulling up top. My 5.0 I could just get into the 12s. 12.8 @ 111. ( Manual-bad driving, Dallas Mustang tune-not so great) I did have the boss mani, tune, cold air, wider wheels and tires though. My stock vette has ran, at its slowest, a 12.4@ 116. The fastest being a 12.1@ 117. Stock everything...including the heavy ass run flats. It's an auto btw. I would say it takes full exhaust and intake on a stang and then it should start getting some c6 ls3s. It would be neck and neck with the ls2s stock. (07 and prior)

Hey Ryan, glad to see you back around.

[Dan12GT]

To me the cars although close in horsepower are in complete separate classes altogether. ~$50k car vs ~$30k car. The vette sits lower, lighter, just as powerful or more, MUCH better suspension and better weight distribution. The vette isn't light years ahead in the performance department but definitely has better overall sports car performance attributes that make it an all around better / faster car. Of course you could always match a gt500 with one but that wouldn't be fair and the C6Z06 would make it more even and still give the shelby a run in other aspects than just a strait line.

[46Tbird]

A C6 Z06 is a bad motherfucker. The Shelby would have it's hands full in a straight line, but can't even hope to compete in any other performance category.

[Dan12GT]

Originally Posted by 46Tbird A C6 Z06 is a bad motherfucker. The Shelby would have it's hands full in a straight line, but can't even hope to compete in any other performance category.

Ya the ~100hp difference would give it a slight edge but not much. Shelby is a heavy beast.

[Dan12GT]

I like to think of it in terms of cost to modify. Most people with sports cars like to modify their cars a little or a lot. Cost to modify Vettes > Mustangs

[Grandpa]

Originally Posted by 46Tbird Really? Any stock auto Vette off the showroom floor will run a 12.1 @ 117? I did not know that.

The LS3 cars run damn good stock and really respond to mods too. LG longtubes, cam and fast intake and they will make 480-490rw dipping into the high 10's.

Originally Posted by 46Tbird A C6 Z06 is a bad motherfucker. The Shelby would have it's hands full in a straight line, but can't even hope to compete in any other performance category.

The C6 Z06 is a monster. Most people don't even know how much so because most owners you see with them dont' drive them very hard. A stock Z06 with a good driver (like Ranger) it will run 10.70-90's on a drag radial.

A lot of Z06's you see running high 11's because the owners are trying to run on the runflat tires because tires are so expensive. lol

[46Tbird]

Do the latest C6s have issues with the rear differentials / halfshafts? I remember it was always a big problem with C5s and that's why you wouldn't see them at a dragstrip... or if you did, they were being pushed away from the starting line half the time, lol. You always hear about "10 second Corvettes" but it is pretty damned rare to see one do it.

There were some really fast GM cars (C6s, '10+ Camaros, CTSVs) at the Motorplex when we went and they all had IRS so I guess GM has done something about it by now.

[Grandpa]

Originally Posted by Dan12GT Ya the ~100hp difference would give it a slight edge but not much. Shelby is a heavy beast.

The Shelby's need to make 100-150rw more than the Vette they are racing in order to be dead even. The reason you don't see a lot more blown Vettes is because they don't need them as much. A bolt on LS3 Vette will easily hand most 5.0's their ass unfortunately. A 5.0 shouldn't even think about running a stock C6 Z06 unless it's boosted.

[DirtyD]

How did the original question about a STOCK C6 turn to a Z06 all of a sudden??

[DirtyD]

The OP clearly says base....but somehow Z06 came from all the reading. Lol

[46Tbird]

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Originally Posted by Dan12GT To me the cars although close in horsepower are in complete separate classes altogether. ~$50k car vs ~$30k car. The vette sits lower, lighter, just as powerful or more, MUCH better suspension and better weight distribution. The vette isn't light years ahead in the performance department but definitely has better overall sports car performance attributes that make it an all around better / faster car. Of course you could always match a gt500 with one but that wouldn't be fair and the C6Z06 would make it more even and still give the shelby a run in other aspects than just a strait line.

[GB_Stang]

I don't know about any...I am just saying mine did. I am also by far not the best driver. There is a fast list on the vette forum showing a lot of guys doing 11s, some as low as 11.6s all stock on stock rubber. Track conditions were real good for me too. 1500 DA and 65 degrees...

[GB_Stang]

Originally Posted by Dan12GT To me the cars although close in horsepower are in complete separate classes altogether. ~$50k car vs ~$30k .

I paid 31k for mine with 24k miles btw.

[Courtesy Flush]

Originally Posted by GB_Stang I paid 31k for mine with 24k miles btw.

I wanna say i have video of your vette running some low 12.1-.2's at crandall in decent air.
Auto car right?

[Dan12GT]

Originally Posted by Steve The Shelby's need to make 100-150rw more than the Vette they are racing in order to be dead even. The reason you don't see a lot more blown Vettes is because they don't need them as much. A bolt on LS3 Vette will easily hand most 5.0's their ass unfortunately. A 5.0 shouldn't even think about running a stock C6 Z06 unless it's boosted.

Well that's a given obvious fact. The shelby is heavy! 700+lbs heavier. I'm sure if the vette weighed the same the shelby would smoke it.

Originally Posted by DirtyD The OP clearly says base....but somehow Z06 came from all the reading. Lol

I was just giving an example the mustang's only real standing chance against vettes are our blow big brothers.