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**saunupe1911** · 10-28-2013, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by DirtyD

I was just stating that if the Mustang does in fact shed 200-300 lbs, and has 450 (or more) hp, it would in fact be competition for the C7. Yes they are different cars, built for different purposes, but for them to still be on the same level (in terms of performance stand points) as the C7 is impressive to say the least. Because that leaves no room for GM to make the Camaro comparable, considering it would have to be on basically par with the Vette...

Yes sir, that's what I'm praying for but it's a long shot. I doubt GM will allow an alpha platform SS Camaro = a base Vette in overall performance even if an S550 out performs it. That Camaro will have to be a new 1LE or something that includes a substantial price hike. Th next 2 to 3 yrs is going to be interesting. I would give my left pinky toe for Z51 a though.

**DirtyD** · 10-28-2013, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by Adam

You don't get it....

Care to elaborate? What exactly do I not "get"?

**Adam** · 10-28-2013, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by DirtyD

Care to elaborate? What exactly do I not "get"?

Unless major philosphical changes have happened at ford then the mustang will NEVER be close to competion for the Vette.
Regardless of the irs and weight loss in the 2015 ford would still have to seriously upgrade the brakes for GT models(what 85% of can probably afford) and have a legitimate handling package option from the factory. Not some under sprung, crappy dampened bs like they did on the current brembo models. Think 1LE Camaro. I'll concede that in 0-120mph numbers the next mustang might be close to the c7. But in every other measure of a SPORTS car it'll fall short I'm afraid.

**saunupe1911** · 10-28-2013, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Adam

Unless major philosphical changes have happened at ford then the mustang will NEVER be close to competion for the Vette.
Regardless of the irs and weight loss in the 2015 ford would still have to seriously upgrade the brakes for GT models(what 85% of can probably afford) and have a legitimate handling package option from the factory. Not some under sprung, crappy dampened bs like they did on the current brembo models. Think 1LE Camaro. I'll concede that in 0-120mph numbers the next mustang might be close to the c7. But in every other measure of a SPORTS car it'll fall short I'm afraid.

I'm hopping this type of package is released as a track package or something. Also none of the test mules had rear brembos....not good!

**DirtyD** · 10-28-2013, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by Adam

Unless major philosphical changes have happened at ford then the mustang will NEVER be close to competion for the Vette.
Regardless of the irs and weight loss in the 2015 ford would still have to seriously upgrade the brakes for GT models(what 85% of can probably afford) and have a legitimate handling package option from the factory. Not some under sprung, crappy dampened bs like they did on the current brembo models. Think 1LE Camaro. I'll concede that in 0-120mph numbers the next mustang might be close to the c7. But in every other measure of a SPORTS car it'll fall short I'm afraid.

Never said the S500 was a sports car. Yes, it's comparing apples to oranges, but the next gen Mustang may likely end up being a very apple-like orange. It's going to be a 2+2 that is pushing the boundaries of the pony car/sports car line.

Your statement can still fall under the speculation category. We DON'T know what the brakes and suspension will be like on the S550 chassis until it is released, and people really get to compare it the the C7. So I guess both of us should withhold any further judgement on this car/platform until it's a physical car with physical, legitimate, concrete numbers behind it.

**Grandpa** · 10-28-2013, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by DirtyD

Never said the S500 was a sports car. Yes, it's comparing apples to oranges, but the next gen Mustang may likely end up being a very apple-like orange. It's going to be a 2+2 that is pushing the boundaries of the pony car/sports car line.

Your statement can still fall under the speculation category. We DON'T know what the brakes and suspension will be like on the S550 chassis until it is released, and people really get to compare it the the C7. So I guess both of us should withhold any further judgement on this car/platform until it's a physical car with physical, legitimate, concrete numbers behind it.

I agree with Adam here, you don't get it.

**Adam** · 10-28-2013, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by DirtyD

Never said the S500 was a sports car. Yes, it's comparing apples to oranges, but the next gen Mustang may likely end up being a very apple-like orange. It's going to be a 2+2 that is pushing the boundaries of the pony car/sports car line.

Your statement can still fall under the speculation category. We DON'T know what the brakes and suspension will be like on the S550 chassis until it is released, and people really get to compare it the the C7. So I guess both of us should withhold any further judgement on this car/platform until it's a physical car with physical, legitimate, concrete numbers behind it.

Meh. Speculation gives me shit do on a Monday.

**DirtyD** · 10-28-2013, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT

I agree with Adam here, you don't get it.

What's new there? You act like my girlfriend does when it comes to discussions. Lol.

Originally Posted by Adam

Meh. Speculation gives me shit do on a Monday.

That's the truth.

**Grandpa** · 10-28-2013, 01:58 PM

LMAO. I can always count on you to give me a good laugh.

**DirtyD** · 10-28-2013, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT

LMAO. I can always count on you to give me a good laugh.

We had a fun "discussion" Saturday going down to Austin. Basically as soon as I replied to what she said, it went from "discussion" to, "you're wrong!"

Women...

**Grandpa** · 10-28-2013, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by DirtyD

We had a fun "discussion" Saturday going down to Austin. Basically as soon as I replied to what she said, it went from "discussion" to, "you're wrong!"

Women...

You have a lot to learn about women young grasshopper. Anything you say after she speaks is just the beginning of another argument.

**DirtyD** · 10-28-2013, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT

You have a lot to learn about women young grasshopper. Anything you say after she speaks is just the beginning of another argument.

Oh, I know. I still try to make it not turn into that...

Both of us are so hard headed, I swear our children will be able to wear the entire Ironman suit with the exception of the helmet...

**Adam** · 10-28-2013, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT

You have a lot to learn about women young grasshopper. Anything you say after she speaks is just the beginning of another argument.

In which case if she happens to start losing that argument she'll bring up other crap to try and sway it back in her favor....

**STROKD** · 10-28-2013, 04:26 PM

I think it looks pretty great, but Ill never buy one.

**Grandpa** · 10-28-2013, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by Adam

In which case if she happens to start losing that argument she'll bring up other crap to try and sway it back in her favor....

LOL, yup. It's just better not to fuel the fire by being hardheaded arguing just attempting to win an argument there is no winning to.