Headed to the track tonight......
 

Well, after picking up the Boss from TS a couple of weeks back we were excited about hitting the track to see what the Boss would do. We got a pair of slicks for the car to try and get the best time possible. Well, I went to change my tune on the car to go to the track and the car "locked up". We were able to get it running with some help from TS and SCT but we weren't able to run the car. So, here we are.....
We are going to try to run the car tonight. Hopefully it will run what we are hopin for......
J.Shoot

Exciting, and good luck. What times are you shooting for? Trap speeds?

-Alex

Car should do 10s pretty easy I think.

Sucks you had the ECU lock you out, man. Hate it when that happens.

High 11's.

:winner_third_h4h:

High Hopes.....
 

Unfortunately our local track is only 1/8 mile. Our best run so far is when the weather was cooler and we ran a 7.11 @ 99.7 mph.

We are hoping to run a 6.90 or faster, I'm putting alot of faith in the slicks.

They don't prep the track on Friday nights, so that hurts us as well, but we'll see.

J.Shoot

and...... ? :)

X2!

Results
 

Well the Boss did ok. We ran the following;

60'. 1/8
1.6. 7.17
1.64. 7.25
1.55. 7.11
1.56. 7.13
1.52. 7.10
1.61. 7.19

This was our first time on slicks. Looking for 6.90's and I know the car can do it, just need cooler weather I think.

J.Shoot

Low 11 sec car. Cooler air you should get in the 10's. what were you trapping?

nice times, some more practice and it should run 6.90 in this weather.

Mph
 

Best trap was 97, most were 95

dang I figured you would be trapping more. our kb 2v would be a good race for you.

The number 1 and 2 quickest bolt-on 5.0s (stock long block no power adder) in the country (wbt and caspergt) (both autos btw!) run the 1/8th at around 6.95 and 99mph (10.78 and 10.87 in the qtr) with only around 450hp-460hp and weighing around 3500-3600 lbs with driver so you should be able to beat that with the HP you put out (I'm assuming well over 600 with what you have.)

Here's wbt's thread: CLICK HERE

Here's caspergt's thread: CLICK HERE

I would say you should be able to do low 10's or even a 9.90 in the qtr as Daniel Pachar down at TSS in Orange TX has a couple supercharged GT cars (non-Boss) with your type of mods running those numbers.

Yeah but those are max effort cars ie full drag suspension, removed sway bars, removed weight etc. this car is full weight plus a blower kit straight off the street with nothing more then a set of rear control arms... Definately a lot left in it on a better nite. 100+ temps hurt a blower car in every aspect. Not to mention he is in Abilene which at this time of the year I bet the da is 9000+!!!! I guarantee if he comes to the metroplex he picks up a bunch of et and mph!!

Nice times!!

I wasn't taking anything away from J.Shoots times as we all know TX is horrible in the summer.

Wbt is from San Antonio and his DA the day in the link was ~1400 so his day was not perfect. Wbt and CasperGT both have stock springs/struts/shocks. UCA and LCAs are their only suspension pieces except for the front sway bar removal. Wbt even has a roll cage in his weighing in at 75-100lbs.

You have more in it J.Shoots! Good luck!

Absolutely tx summers are the worst time to hit the track... Especially in his neck of the woods. Our fabricator at the shop is from there, said he would come to the metroplex and have to add over 10% to his entire be table to get it to even run worth a damn. Said he would pick up .3-.4 in et also!! Damn boosted cars haha

DA in Abilene TODAY was 4663 @ 3:45PM. That's definitely pretty shitty. I still figured it would run quicker as well. No insult.....

Sweeet! Good numbers

One more thing to keep in mind is this is a procharger car with a air to air intercooler. So if you think, 100* out side temp, inter cooler after the burn out is 120-130* By the time you finish the race your at 140ish to 150ish IAT. Killing 3-5 degrees of timing worth 100+ rwhp. For all you air to water cars you don't have it quite as bad at the track. Procharger cars are much happier from a roll where air is running across the inter cooler,

Why buy a Procharger kit dynoing at 600hp then if you only see 500hp at a drag race track?

The kenne bell, and whipple cars will have less issue with the IAT since they are Air to water (takes more time to heat the water). With the air to water (kenne bell/whipple) they will not run as cool on the street like the Air to Air a procharger has. This is why you see a lot of turbo cars with Air to air if they are street cars but the race car Prochargers/Turbos run air to water with big coolers to pack ice in.

Prochargers will not see this much heat once the crazy 100*+ days are gone. Right not it does not take much time to heat up. Dare I say E-85 make a BIG Diffrence!!!! :hidesbehindsofa:

Where do Vortech/Paxton's fit?

Because not every person that buys a procharger, is going to drag race it.

Why do most people assume just because you are modifying your car that you are going to drag race it?

2 out of 3 Procharged cars I know of drag race hence why I asked the question. Where do Vortech/Paxton's fit as you posted examples of Procharger, KB, etc?

They will have same issue as long as they have air to air intecoolers. Most of these heat issue will disappear once we get back to 70-80* track nights

J.shoot. i come to san angelo once or twice a month and been wanting to check out that track. Maybe we can meet up there one day. Im def no match for you car but wouldnt mind the fun.

Holler when you come my way, would definitely try to meet up.

J.Shoot

Mod choices....
 

Just to shed some more light.
We got the Boss in October of 2013, I researched every possible power adder for months. I also called every shop I could find in Texas. Alot of research went into my decision of what to do to the car.
One of the main goals was to keep the car very streetable and where it would run on 93 octane fuel. My wife and I love driving the car.
I talked to Clint several times before we even committed to them to mod our Boss. (I'm sure he thought I was just another tire kicker, at first).
Well, after we got the mods done I got curious of what the car would run. You know what happens next.... It became an addiction, I became fixated on beating a couple of cars and a number that I wanted to get my car down to. That's why we went the direction we did. I'm sure had I told Clint up front that it was going to be a track car we would have looked at other options that might have been more suitable.
Me personally, I like the procharger, the car drives and handles great, I like the power curve and how it comes on. We have made several trips from Abilene to McKinney (250 miles approx) and it's a blast.....
Anyway, didn't mean to get off topic, just wanted to make it clear why we went the direction we did. And I'm sure the car will run better once the temps cool down.....
But by the time it cools down archery season will be here so the car will probably feel neglected for awhile..... lol.

J.Shoot

Ill let you know, im for sure coming back august 10th back to san angelo for the weekend and labor day weekend

I've never heard someone claim that a centri was at a disadvantage to a PD due to IAT2's! Usually I hear the OPPOSITE!

Ditto Doug...ditto

The 1.52 60' is real good with a manual car - I'm usually around there and dip into the high 1.4x's on occasion but it's not that easy. What was the DA when you ran? Seems like the trap speed is low but maybe you're pulling a bunch of timing in the high heat? I think you'll be in the 6's easy once you get it figured out. ... and get some better air.

Normal driving, hwy, stop lights I would agree. The air to air works very well at keeping cool during normal driving and stop and go traffic. But Air to air intercooler have to have air moving across it to cool. At the track sitting in line to make a pass, then doing a burn out, then stage and launch equals no air moving into the intercooler until you start moving. in 100* + days you can image how fast this happens


Air to water has water that is always moving and depending on how big your intercooler reserve tank is your IAT's might not gain more than 5-12* since it has to heat all the water.




:snoopfacepalm: lol I did not figure you would understand

Next time you go to a race track and see a race car with a turbo,Procharger, 99% of them will always have a air to water system. For one they can pack it with ice and cool IAT below out side temps so they have time to do a burnout and stage before the car starts pulling timing because of heat

WTF!?!?!?!? That makes complete sense, stop posting crazy talk true facts.

Tim nailed it.

That's Clint

My head was in my ass lol. Duh.

YES, a centri isn't getting any cooling effect when not moving, but it's also not generating any real heat like a PD. Granted that the centri isn't cooling anything in the lanes, but neither is the PD. Fluid is circulating, but there's no air movement across the heat exchanger, so the fluid just gets hotter and hotter (heat soak). Heat soak is going to be much more prominent on a PD car than a centri. At least on the centri it starts cooling as you go down the track and you're essentially starting with ambient. On a PD, you're circulating hot ass water as you go down the track! LOL! I've had both and I think a PD makes a LOT more heat, both on the street and the track.

Edit: Obviously, a PD with an A/W with fans, huge reservoir, bag of ice, etc. will cool better, but that's not what ANY of them come with from the manufacturers, so that's a moot point. I'm talking about how they come in the kits.

Not correct, when the pass/race starts you will start to get fresh air across the intercooler but you are in boost heat is even greater from that point on. There is no intercooler, watercooler on the market that will cool off to ambient temps once boost starts. Once in boost Intake air temps will continue to heat up until there is no boost present and air flow is run across the intercooler water or air to air for a giving amount of time.

my vortech car ET'ed and MPH'ed the same pass after pass with minimal cool down and no intercooler (on a 2V car 10 years ago). thats centrifugal efficiency.

so if the A/W is so much more efficient, then why do all the factory PD blower cars heat soak so much? the water is still circulating. but once the water heats up, then it can't absorb anymore heat. its the same as the A/A car sitting there with no air flowing over it. I watched a Cadillac CTS-V lose .4 and 7 mph due to heat soak on his 2nd pass. The car was down on power the whole time we were at the track due to heat soak. We all know this...terminators, lightnings, ZL1, etc.

The centrifugals are the more efficient blowers, and while the twin screws are more efficient than the roots and TVS blowers, they still generate more heat per lb of boost. it's always been that way.