"It's not about how you stand by your numbers, its about how ya drive your car! Remember that!"

[QUOTE=DirtyD;63769]I know it's only numbers, and I'm not trying to start that whole argument again, I'm just saying that out of all the stock dynos I've seen results for, including many from out group, those numbers are even past the factory freak level.[/

Man that's def a have to see it to believe it kind of numbers

As I said, next time I see ya I'll show ya the sheets. It runs really well for what it is. That's why there was so much to do about when I raced Nic who had several more mods than I did and our cars were very close. No reason for you to think there is any funny business since you know how I feel about it being a turd still. It is what it is. lol

We all know that driver mod was needed on one end. Lol

Once the weather warms up, and I get some seat time, maybe we can go at the track?

Sure. :driver:

Man I would love to see what the maximum potential these can do NA since they love to rev. A nice cam, intake manifold and heads(not sure if aftermarket heads are available).

-Alex

Jeff made 520whp na I believe.

It just takes more money and I'm afraid driveability would suffer.

$5k in NA??

$5k in blower= at least 550


When I get the money I'm going blower for once..

Boost is the best way to go with these cars. Yes these cars can make decent power NA if one was so inclined but its not as good of a return on your money dollar per hp.

This is true but I bet a 500whp NA 5.0 would be fun lol

Exactly.

I spent $6k on my GTO (longtubes, mids, axle back, cai, ported t/b, monster level 2 clutch, big cam) and made around 430 (appx. 100 more than stock)

I've spent $650 on this so far (axle back + tuner). With $5,500 I could throw on a Paxton, have it tuned and ride around with at least 550.

Just not worth it anymore for me n/a.

Did you have an ls1 car?

LS2- 2006 GTO

The $6k was:

ARH LT's w/ high flow cats- $1300
Mids and axle back- $700ish??
Level 2 Clutch w/lightweight flywheel- $1200
VX cam w/springs,etc- $1300
Ported t/b- $250
CAI- $400
Short throw shifter- $200-$300 (don't really remember)

That plus install/tuning was about $6k.

When I price a boosted car, I can't fathom slapping on a blower and calling it a day. Just not me. I always include a forged bottom end. If you're going to put a blower on, why not go all out for maximum potential AND reliability. Driving a boosted car is not fun when you can only do it a few times out of fear of bending rods or destroying pistons. So for me, a real blower setup is going to cost over $8k.

-Alex

Even if it's $8k-$10k...that's $4k more than I spent on the GTO.

Then you're putting down 600+ with no worries...compared to never hitting that and being afraid your engine will blow if you push the limits n/a.

I don't have a race car, I want the power when I want it, but it doesn't get driven a ton and it doesn't get driven hard. I'll save up the $5k for a blower and then when it's paid off I'll build the motor. :peace:

You only made 430 with a ls2 gto with those mods? I know some LS1 motors that have made that with less.

It's pretty much on par with others.

stock heads, stock manifold, no porting

They dyno anywhere between 330-350 stock. So cam/LT/cai for 80-100 whp isn't far off. I know plenty of guys that made the same or less.

Depends on your end goals. These cars can handle a small amount of boost and with the right tune be fine. I would say you never want to go above 600whp. To be honest I would feel more safe with it around 550. The horror stories we read are when people way over push the motors (we've had a few in our group). Take Josh Bishop or Ryan Knight's cars for good example. They make good power safely and aren't over pushing the motors.

I think a lot of people look at these cars and compare them to the terminators which have around the same amount of power stock. However, they are 2 very different cars. Obviously the terminators have way more potential due to the forged motor.

I'd say if you are trying to go for anything north of 600whp you better start looking into building the motor and full fuel system.

From what I have noticed about most people that chase power is that they always want more. So sure, 550 may be impressive for a few months but, then why go through the trouble of then breaking down the engine later and spending more money when it could have been much cheaper to do it the first time? It would be a lot cheaper to build it complete the first time, and if you want 550, go with that for the time being. When that becomes slow, simply increase the fuel delivery, tune and viola, have more power without having to open the engine up a second time.

I have a buddy at work that is debating between a new Evo and a 5.0. He's got a 2014/13 Dodge Dart that he JUST bought and was wanting to mod it for power. I said, why didn't you just buy an actual performance car? He started looking at newer cars and decided between the two mentioned. Now he's planning to take a huge hit on depreciation for his new car for an even newer car, spend all of his tax return plus any other money for a down payment AND have larger payments when he could have saved a ton from just buying the better car the first time. Juss sayin lol.

-Alex

I think we see where you're coming from but for me personally....I'd rather not wait until I have all $8k or however much to replace parts and build it AND boost it.

I plan on saving $5k and putting a Paxton on there and seeing what 550+ish feels like.

Then when I have more money saved up I can build certain elements of it and increase power. But if I want until I have all of the money to do both at the same time I won't be able to have fun with anything over near stock hp until then. So I'm adding at least a year or two of time with current power just because I wanted to "do it right the first time" when I could be safely having fun with 550 hp while saving up $$$.

I realize some of you guys can just go and do whatever you want, but you can't easily support a family AND dump money when you feel like it in the mustang on $50k a year.

Is he retarded? LOL

Patience is a virtue. If you can save 5k with a family then you can save 8k if you weigh a little longer and have a better foundation in the long run. The way i see it, 550whp is not enough. To even be considered qick or fast in this area you better make at least 800. So I chose not to even worry about it. Im shooting for 450whp. Thats it.

I see where Alex is coming from also. Never know when the motor is gonna give out on boost(or with any mods) and it's better to have it prepared to handle the load you want. But at the same time those upgraded parts could fail then the car is down for who knows how long till you can afford a replacement for the upgraded part(s)

In all honesty with the whole #8 issue, almost everybody with 5.0's should have like $6k for a new motor in case but I'd say 70% don't

Haha, I don't want to say that, in case he joins this forum in a few weeks lol.

They probably have high limit credit cards for a rainy day. I never use credit cards but, probably should, so I am sticking with cash in the interim.

-Alex

According to Tim at TS it was all a tune problem. The head design doesnt help but most of it was a tune problem.
DEF CASH!

I don't care about what's fast or being fast in "this area." I'm not a street racer.

That's why I want to put on a Paxton and then when the money comes along to make the whole system stronger and last longer and maybe go to 600.

I have ZERO desire to go any further. I'm making the car faster for me and my wife, not to race or measure with somebody else.

our a confusing individual.

Maybe I'm not explaining it correctly.

My point was in respect to being considered "quick" or "fast" around here. I simply stated I don't care.

I used to street race, I used to spend money on cars to compete with other people and I used to care about how much I had and how much the next guy did.

But not anymore. I'm modding the car for me and mine for pure fun, not competition. So that's why I feel I'll be ok with 550 because it's just for us- no competition.

This all day!

-Alex

Went to Kennedale today...

http://youtu.be/e78MUkY3DSk

Times?

60-2.081
1/8 - [email protected]
on good ole stock tires

Nice. Nice mph.

Now get some tires!

lol you can say that again Slow I felt like I was ice skating out there

Kennedale was open today? I thought about going out, but not in these cold temps

Yeah I left the house about 3:30 and the sun was trying to come out...Then I got there and cold and foggy again. I hope all you guys will come out to the ennis test and tune on the 21st so I can finally meet you dudes. I might go to kennedale again this Sunday if weather permits. There were a lot of camaro ppl out there who need help getting last

Ennis is 2 hours away....and my car is pretty much stock...I'm good. lol

March 21st?

Feb 21st

I'm eventually going to start dragracing but i deffinatly want my weld RTS bigs and littles first.. no reason to go out there with 440 rwhp and just spin the tires all the way down the track..

Ah. I don't know if I can make it out there. Guess I'll have to play it by ear see who the weather looks too.