I didn't mean a trouble code...but a particular code ON the pcm.

ok fellas just got back from GH and Travis said it passed the leak down test with flying colors and he said he drove it and he said the car drives great! I asked him why AF ratio was off so much per TS he said they were either doing something wrong or the JBA headers have been known to throw the AF off. Regardless he said leave it with me and he will Dyno tune it tomorrow and he will fix it but he said there is nothing wrong with the car. So, thats what I did. He is dyno tuning the car tomorrow

See that's the kind of thing that worries me...I have NO clue where to take my car when I want to get it dyno tuned.

Some say GH, some say TSM and other have other people they "swear" by. I'd like to take it to my friend's shop but I don't know his Ford guy...plus I know his dyno is notoriously 15-20 low and as much as you "shouldn't" care about dynos it still makes my pee-pee hurt, lol.

i here you on that GTO...I mean you saw i was about ready to take a bath and sell a perfectlt good running 5.0 with great miles. Glad Travis came through

Awesome to hear! Glad that Travis checked everything out, and hopefully you will have a good tune after it's done.

Was TS doing a tail pipe sniffer during the initial dyno pull? If so, that may be one of the problems why it was reading low.

This car came in for a tune, we did a base line just like all cars get before we build our custom tune. On the base line pull the car was 15.1 AFR from 2500rpms to 4100rpms so we aborted the run. Checked the data log and it also show 15.1 AFR. Advised the customer that we were uncomfortable tuning the car at this time since we felt the motor might be hurt or will be hurt soon since the car has been run this lean. Coyote motors that see heat of 15.1 AFR for any length of time will have a very good chance of the number 8 problems very soon. We choose not to be a part of it,

Good luck and hope you beat the odds

Tim

By no means was I dogging TS at all. If you look above I said, "Those guys are standup guys." I appreciate you guys concern and appreciate you telling me your opinions...However, I literally was about to return this thing to stock and take a bath on it not to deal with this issue. I was Telling GH's to return it to stock and Travis said that he wanted to do a leak down test to see if it was infact hurt at all. He said it passed the leaked down with flying colors and he drove it as well with no issues. Soooooo....

Glad too hear it, and I promise you if we felt different we would be happy to have tuned your car. We have a different option on what could happen,

Good luck my friend

Thanks Buddy and btw stay away from the chinese philly cheese Steak place down the street it def caused failure in my # 8 cylinder lol. Take Care:)

Now it makes sense. Just because it passed the leak down test doesn't mean that there hasn't been damage to weaken the cyl already.

let me ask this...Being what Travis knows and what he has done to mustangs do you think he would volunteer to dyno tune the car and put his reputation on the line if the #8 cylinder was hurt? I seriously doubt it...

You would be surprised what people will do to try and not be accountable. I knw that another business would do everything to try and tune a car so they could make money. So Tsm not wanting to even mess with it raises some flags. Let me ask you this....why was it not tuned right the first time? Why were those afrs lean? Why did they let it leave like that?

I asked that same question to Travis about well if the car is ok why the AFR's. His response was could be as simple as an o2 sensor, he said that JBA LT's are notorious for running lean until they have been corrected. either way he seem confident that the car was completely fine and that he would have it all corrected after he dyno tunes the car.

re-rx7, IIRC the OP was using a SCT tune so it was not a custom tune. Was the AFR actually lean or was the tailpipe sniffer (which reads a little lean to begin with due to the distance away from the head) using a sensor that hadn't been calibrated for the fuel being used {14.08 instead of 14.64} or hadn't been changed recently since they degrade quickly when using mixed fuels?

Not saying TSM was wrong and GH is right.

What if GH is right and TSM is wrong? Then the red flag I see is that the OP ended up calling TSMs bluff on needing other services to fix his problem that was nonexistent by taking it elsewhere.

What if TSM is right and GH is wrong? Then the OP may be in trouble.

Oh I see now. The thread has been confusing. First he had a custom tune then a canned. Lol idk what to believe! I don't think TS offered other services? I'm pretty sure the guy was using 93 and even if the tailpipe sniffer is further out 3 points is a lot

i def never had a custom tune.

Yeah from everything I've read TSM are stand up guys- even giving someone their money back even though they were out time and labor.

I've also read some GREAT things about GearHeads and right now I'm between which one to use.

Regardless...it sounds like the problem could be- the guy was running an email tune with an o/r x pipe and LTs. I personally would never run on an email tune with that extensive of exhaust mods. I hope everything is ok.

Thanks man, I hope to report some good news late tomorrow

From what I've researched cat deletes a tune isn't needed. Now for the lt's I'm not sure.

Just got a call from GH saying car did awesome and is ready to be picked up. Havent got any of the specks yet will let you know when i do.

Thumbs up!

Cool! Very interested to hear how id did / is running.

Alright Fellas I just went by GH and talked with Travis...Car is running awesome and he said the LT's were throwing off the AFR but once he corrected the problem he said It dyno tuned perfectly. Its now running at 415 hp/402 Tq. I have the Dyno results scanned into my work computer but its saying file too big to upload so once I get back home to my Mac I can fix it and upload it. A big thanks to Travis and the GH's crew!!!

Now that sounds about right. Congrats on getting the power. How does it feel?

That definitely sounds more legit! Congrats!

awesome glad it was a simple fix.. goodluck :)

Feels awesome! but im gonna need to invest in some tires cause I couldnt hook up in 1st and 2nd lol

CONGRATS. I'm glad it got worked out...I know you were freaking for a bit.


I wonder what kind of numbers GH would pull out of an almost stock car?

I'm not going all out for power and it already feels great. So I must "suffer" with less until I save up for a s/c...but I'd still like to see what they could do.

Any ideas/suggestions/guesses?

Yes...it's an auto unlike every previous car I've had...but I actually really enjoy it :Moon:

Did a screen shot from my phone so you guys can see the results.

Can you guys see it or is it distorted?

We can read it but we have to turn it sideways.

Lol sorry...I'll post a better one in a bit

Man could you imagine ditching this car and then a new member shows up with the same car tuned and running great lol? Congrats though. You'll need to update your sig now. The mods in your sig, the only ones you have correct?

-Alex

Ok here is the Dyno that you wont have to break your neck to read

Thanks Alex, yeah im glad Travis talked me off the ledge and ends up being a minor thing. And Sig updated:)

Not bad. I made a lil more than that with just an hpipe and TS tune. =)

hey dont rain on my Parade Steve lol Jk:worthy:

Inflated numbers. :p

Tell yourself whatever you feel like to make yourself feel better. Lol

Btw, it made 398/402 Stock. Next time i see ya i will show ya the dyno sheets =)

I know it's only numbers, and I'm not trying to start that whole argument again, I'm just saying that out of all the stock dynos I've seen results for, including many from out group, those numbers are even past the factory freak level.