im talking about situational awareness. knowing what is going on around you. i dont put my self in positions that i cannot get out of quickly. for the stop light thing, look around when you are at a stop light and see if people are around you. see with other drivers and passengers are doing. im not against have a gun on you but is everyone so scared that they need a holster bolted to the bottom of their steering column? im no bad ass but but at the same time i dont need a gun with me everywhere i go. long trips the gun goes with us but besides that its loaded in my wifes night stand for her not me....im gonna jump out the window while my wife takes care of things :pp:. we got into the "gotta protect ourselves" thing once and i got a judge and it was a awesome self defense weapon with the PDX shells but after a while i realized the gun was useless and not fun to shoot. got rid of it and i feel just as secure. again im not against having a gun but it just seems people take it too far.

You also do realize that 03MachMe is a cop by profession, right?

Ok, I'm in the army... So we both have tactical experience. Difference is I don't get shot at by gang bangers lol.

hey Ryan question for you man, I thought even if you had your CHL or if you don't since its legal to have in your vehicle in TX that it couldn't be visible in the car? That it could be loaded and ready to fire.but I was under the impression it had to be out of visible sight. So wouldn't it on the steering column be visible?

I'm just going to get in the mix here. Those of us who carry do it for protection. Regardless if they need it or not. So don't ever say some take it too far because there is no god damn thing as being to protective or safe over your life or your family's. You will never know when you may need a gun to stop something bad from happening. Perfect example had someone been carrying at the movies theaters that terrible night in CO. someone could had dropped that guy and saved many of lives. Would they had taken the gun in to purposely kill no they went in to watch a damn movie. But went in prepared.

It can not be in plain sight, like sitting on your passenger seat. I would consider under the steering column hidden as unless your door is open and your not it in the car it's not easily viewable. I wouldn't leave it there when not in the car tho. That's asked for it to be stolen

So you don't think having a holster on your fucking steering Column is taking it a lil far? Yea sometimes people that carry can stop some stuff but at the same time they might not be able to stop stuff. I'm not saying wanting to have protection is a bad thing. I bought my wife a 9mm and then spent 3 weekends and over 1000 rounds training her to shoot properly and effectively while still being safe. If we go anywhere on a long trip she gets the gun not me. I'm not gonna have her carry all the time. We live with out fear of being gunned down like we live in the 1800s in dodge city. That's our opinion. If she decided to carry I would support her but the second she wanted to put a holster on her steering column, under the coffee table, behind the head board of the bed, in a fake brink on the outside walk by the front door.. I would have her go on dooms day preppers and have her see a doctor.

I think you have been in comifornia too long. The world's not all flowers and sunshine and I'm glad you can convince yourself it is but there are people out there that want only to hurt others and I would not want to be caught in a situation that I would be at a disadvantage. I'm going to do everything I can to make sure I have the upper hand. And if you think I am crazy for that then call me nuts

Yea been in this shit hole too long. I know there are weirdos out there but I'm not going to be scared every time I walk out of my house. You are a LEO right? You know what a safe place looks like and what a non safe place looks like right? You won't go into a place that looks sketchy when you are off duty... I'd hope unless you really are nuts. When I have my iotv, Kevlar helmet, 210 rounds and a m4 il walk anywhere especially if I got a buddy equally equipped. Outside of that if it looks sketchy I stay the hell away even if cops are around. You are not nuts for trying to have the upper hand.

I keep mine within arms reach at all times loaded and ready to fire.

I used to not but I had an incident in San Antonio that made it a little more important to me.

It's not always a sketchy place, or situational awareness that can be seen. Sometimes you can be going about your daily habits, in what you see and deem a place to be situationally safe, and out of the blue, shit hits the fans and you have a gun pointed at you or see someone else with one pointed at them.

To me, concealed carrying isn't only about protecting myself and my family/loved ones, but also having the ability to protect other people who can't protect themselves. If I can be the difference between someone innocent dying or staying alive, I will gladly carry at all times.

I also know bad stuff happens in "safe" places. I'm sure you like everyone else thought a movie theater was a "safe" place, or a school or a mall. Catch my drift.

No one would ever think about walking into a naval shop yard IN Washington DC to shoot and kill people. Way too safe of a place...

Yeah yeah I know but I'm still not gonna go Rambo.

And you think if you were the guy with the cc that you would have stopped him? Maybe so maybe no. It's a lot different when bullets come back at you... Ask me how I know. Dick head when I was down range stepped out of a house and started laying down lead right at me and 3 others. We had 1 249 gunner and the rest were m4s, not one of us got a shot off before dick head dropped his clip, reloaded and started back up. You don't just think ok I'm getting shot at now shoot back. You think get the fuck down or away then shoot back. Dick head didn't think that when we shot back and the 249 gunner cut the dude down.

You can be just as dangerous shooting at a bad guy. It's why cops don't just shoot back when they get shot at. Thru think about collateral damage.

Again defend yourself it's all good just don't act like everyone with a cc license is gonna be a hero. Lead singer from blues traveler use to have a cc until he got pulled over with shit ton of high power full auto weapons in his vehicle claiming he was getting ready for the end of all days.