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03MachMe 07-28-2013 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Yagermeister (Post 42328)
Actually the CJ has an intake very similar to the Boss but moves the rpm range even higher

Exactly so you can be in the power band longer due to not staying in an RPM range as a road car would.

Yagermeister 07-28-2013 09:02 PM

From what I've heard is that the CJ intake didn't extend it but rather moved it so if the Boss was 5400-7800, the CJ is 5700- 8100 now.

03MachMe 07-28-2013 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Yagermeister (Post 42334)
From what I've heard is that the CJ intake didn't extend it but rather moved it so if the Boss was 5400-7800, the CJ is 5700- 8100 now.

Hmm either way I'm sure the engineers at Ford are a lot smarter than I and know what would be best lol.

Dan12GT 07-28-2013 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 03MachMe (Post 42326)
There is a reason why they put them on the road cars (boss and boss ls) and not the drag car (CJ). Danny your right your only in that RPM range for a short time in a drag race but you could be in that RPM range for a good amount of time on a road course. If anyone doesn't want theirs I'll take it off thier hands lol

That would scare the shit out of me holding 7500+ rpms for more than a second or 2. My point was tailored to drag racing. I can definitely understanding holding higher RPMS much much longer in road racing scenarios but still scares me, when I see that gauge go red I shift!

Isn't there something with the engine that will shut down the motor or starts triggering knock if its held at 7k+ for more than 10 seconds? I might be speaking out of my ass at that one. Just something I thought I heard.

Yagermeister 07-28-2013 11:13 PM

There is a setting in the tune (10 second item you mentioned) from Ford that is easily bypassed in the tune. Make sure your tuner changes this no matter what you do to your car.

Dark Pony 07-28-2013 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan12GT (Post 42336)
That would scare the shit out of me holding 7500+ rpms for more than a second or 2. My point was tailored to drag racing. I can definitely understanding holding higher RPMS much much longer in road racing scenarios but still scares me, when I see that gauge go red I shift!

Isn't there something with the engine that will shut down the motor or starts triggering knock if its held at 7k+ for more than 10 seconds? I might be speaking out of my ass at that one. Just something I thought I heard.

If you shift when you see red, than the Boss IM isn't for you. Exactly why I got rid of mine. It makes me cringe when I hear the motor spin that high. That's just me though. Plus, with the MT82...it doesn't like to be shifted that high. Remote shifting transmissions are prone to gear lock outs at high RPMs.

Dan12GT 07-29-2013 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark Pony (Post 42342)
If you shift when you see red, than the Boss IM isn't for you. Exactly why I got rid of mine. It makes me cringe when I hear the motor spin that high. That's just me though. Plus, with the MT82...it doesn't like to be shifted that high. Remote shifting transmissions are prone to gear lock outs at high RPMs.

Ya no intentions from me to get it at this time.

pohnjarker 07-29-2013 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark Pony (Post 42342)
Plus, with the MT82...it doesn't like to be shifted that high. Remote shifting transmissions are prone to gear lock outs at high RPMs.

doesnt the Boss 302 come with the same MT82?

03MachMe 07-29-2013 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by pohnjarker (Post 42349)
doesnt the Boss 302 come with the same MT82?

Yep

Dark Pony 07-29-2013 12:39 PM

And the Boss has the same issues. Believe it or not, the GT500 has the same issues with the TR6060. A lot of it has to do with the remote shifting.

re-rx7 07-29-2013 12:40 PM

stiffer motor mounts.

BLK2012GT 07-29-2013 01:01 PM

Hmmmmmm don't have any problem with mine shifting at 8k rpms and before my build I was shifting at 7700 rpms.

re-rx7 07-29-2013 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BLK2012GT (Post 42440)
Hmmmmmm don't have any problem with mine shifting at 8k rpms and before my build I was shifting at 7700 rpms.

Thats weird cause neither do I.

KungFuHamster 07-29-2013 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Pony (Post 42342)
Remote shifting transmissions are prone to gear lock outs at high RPMs.

Can you give more information on this and how this applies to remote shifting vice a regular tranny?

Midnight11 07-29-2013 02:22 PM

Shifting over 7500 ftw!

Dark Pony 07-29-2013 07:29 PM

Everyone is not going to have the problem foos, but gear lockout is very common with remote shift transmissions.

Essentially, a remote shift transmission such as the MT82 and TR6060, are operated by shifter linkage outside the tail housing. The shifting mechanisms inside the transmission differ from a direct shift like a T56.

Direct shift transmissions such as the T56 have a fully enclosed tail shaft providing much more solidity and a "direct shift" from gear to gear. Again, the shifter mechanism is different.

The actual gear structure from a TR6060 and T56 are the same, but the way it's shifted is different. With a less supportive shifting mechanism, you are more prone to gear lockout at higher RPM's.

Oxford14Stang 07-30-2013 06:48 PM

Everyone is saying HP gains of 7 w/ boss intake? I was under the impression that the boss intakes gave you upwards of 40ish? But sacrificed tq? Only thing I can think of is someone who has all bolt ons but uses the stock intake manifold post dyno #s or better yet track times and someone else do the same but who has a boss intake on their car.... we have any two people with the same mods other than intakes?

Toby 07-30-2013 08:06 PM

We just finished up doing some testing with a boss intake ported and unported. Results to follow but I will say that apples for apples nothing but a stock boss intake and a corrected tune you gaine around 5 hp up top but loose as much as 20 ft lbs down low. Now ported boss is another story...

Also we plan to do some testing with the stock intake ported and not. Keep your eyes peeled for the results!

re-rx7 07-30-2013 09:48 PM

Ported stock im could be interesting.

DirtyD 07-30-2013 09:50 PM

I may be interested in ported stock as well

Dan12GT 07-31-2013 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyD (Post 42628)
I may be interested in ported stock as well

Ditto! TS can use my car as a test bench! :)

pohnjarker 07-31-2013 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan12GT (Post 42639)
Ditto! TS can use my car as a test bench! :)

same here, if they need a boosted car to test on, i'll be happy to leave mine there with them while im away :happy160:

DirtyD 07-31-2013 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan12GT (Post 42639)
Ditto! TS can use my car as a test bench! :)

NO! Mine! Lol

BV600 07-31-2013 10:26 AM

Little late on this. I wouldnt do a Boss Mani. Ive had one and didnt like the loss down low but loved taking it past 7500 especially with the procharger.

With my C5Z I raced a 5.0 with AED Tune, Lts, Stock manifold, Maybe CAI. Had a hard time beating him down low I would say it was dead even until maybe 110ish and I would slowly pull on him.

Then raced a 5.0 with BBR Tune, Lts, Boss Mani, Steeda CAI, 3.73s and was walking it hard.

Both races where from 20-40 Rolls. Could have been the tunes being different?
Also The races against the no boss 5.0 I was on 91 oct instead of 93 which I was tuned for.

Mrjeremyt 07-31-2013 10:59 AM

Definitely would like to see a ported stock.

BV600 07-31-2013 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrjeremyt (Post 42650)
Definitely would like to see a ported stock.

I've got an extra for sale.

Mrjeremyt 07-31-2013 03:35 PM

Do you have any specs as to the gains? Simple logic says more fuel, air means more power, but its gotta be worth the price. Lol

BV600 07-31-2013 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrjeremyt (Post 42668)
Do you have any specs as to the gains? Simple logic says more fuel, air means more power, but its gotta be worth the price. Lol

NO Idea but its just an extra one for porting if someone wants to buy it and find out

TrueStreetMotorSports.com 07-31-2013 05:17 PM

Hey guys and girls, We are working on a write up of what was done to make the boss perform. We are seeing some real nice gains with the True Street Ported boss. Over the stock intake as much as 35RWHP and 25rwtq in the upper range of the RPMS. I am working on the write up and will post dyno sheets to show our testing and what we have found. Stay tuned :head3:

Rebelracer568 07-31-2013 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TrueStreetMotorSports.com (Post 42676)
Hey guys and girls, We are working on a write up of what was done to make the boss perform. We are seeing some real nice gains with the True Street Ported boss. Over the stock intake as much as 35RWHP and 25rwtq in the upper range of the RPMS. I am working on the write up and will post dyno sheets to show our testing and what we have found. Stay tuned :head3:

Keep us updated. I got a boss intake I maybe interested in porting

TrueStreetMotorSports.com 07-31-2013 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by re-rx7 (Post 42627)
Ported stock im could be interesting.

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Originally Posted by DirtyD (Post 42628)
I may be interested in ported stock as well

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Originally Posted by Dan12GT (Post 42639)
Ditto! TS can use my car as a test bench! :)

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Originally Posted by pohnjarker (Post 42642)
same here, if they need a boosted car to test on, i'll be happy to leave mine there with them while im away :happy160:

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Originally Posted by DirtyD (Post 42647)
NO! Mine! Lol

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Originally Posted by Mrjeremyt (Post 42650)
Definitely would like to see a ported stock.

This is something we will be looking into very soon, right now we have been working on perfecting the boss intake and making it preform as good as it can. We have done testing on built N/A motors and seen gains and on this latest port it was on a stock car with a off road mid pipe only. Lots of calls about this and we will be looking to move forward with orders and port work in the weeks to come.

Mrjeremyt 07-31-2013 05:44 PM

Look forward to seeing the results. Im assuming you would have to re tune the car as well? Specialty jobs like porting and tuning are about all i would even consider paying for. I prefer to turn the wrenches on my own stuff. Lol.

TrueStreetMotorSports.com 07-31-2013 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrjeremyt (Post 42682)
Look forward to seeing the results. Im assuming you would have to re tune the car as well? Specialty jobs like porting and tuning are about all i would even consider paying for. I prefer to turn the wrenches on my own stuff. Lol.

With the testing we have done it does not require a retune to make power, BUTTT....... there is some room for improvement with tuning/timing and the porting job.

Mrjeremyt 07-31-2013 06:22 PM

Sounds good, probably end up doing more if a retune is obvious for proper gains. 24lb injectors and a 90mm throttle body maybe? Even a one off intake thats wide enough to really pull out the power of the larger intake.

Midnight11 07-31-2013 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrjeremyt (Post 42686)
Sounds good, probably end up doing more if a retune is obvious for proper gains. 24lb injectors and a 90mm throttle body maybe? Even a one off intake thats wide enough to really pull out the power of the larger intake.

U mean 47lb Injectors right

Mrjeremyt 07-31-2013 07:38 PM

I havent done much research into it. I was just grabbing a number out of the air that wasnt too extreme. Car comes with 19lb so i figured a slight bump would help. Mine is a daily so id like to keep some fuel mileage. Lol

Midnight11 07-31-2013 08:15 PM

I'm pretty sure our car comes with 32lb

Yagermeister 07-31-2013 08:45 PM

Midnight11 is correct in that the new coyotes come with 32lb injectors

Mrjeremyt 08-01-2013 12:18 AM

Wow, I was way off. I'm gonna go sit in the Dunce corner for a bit. lol:emotions122:

DirtyD 08-01-2013 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrjeremyt (Post 42692)
I havent done much research into it. I was just grabbing a number out of the air that wasnt too extreme. Car comes with 19lb so i figured a slight bump would help. Mine is a daily so id like to keep some fuel mileage. Lol

My old 4.2L V6 came with 19#. :lol:


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