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DirtyD 06-06-2013 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve (Post 33494)
From the looks of this weather you guys may need to start racing boats if this weather keeps up. lol.

Nitro boats FTW!

Oxford14Stang 06-06-2013 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Courtesy Flush (Post 33503)
Oxford,

Happen to get a graph or video of the dyno runs?

I've got the graph in the glove box and video on camera, will upload when I get home.

White_lightning 06-06-2013 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve (Post 33461)
What is with your obsession with the settings on the numbers? I don't get it. The only numbers that matter are on the track. Dyno numbers do not equate performance numbers, it's simply peak numbers. The dyno is only a tool to tune a car not measure performance. I don't get this younger generations obsession with peak numbers. :banghead:

I agree and disagree with you. a dyno is like you said a Tool...

I guess its the bench racer in me, but you can take a car making 900 rwhp with a very peaky power band and a car with 900 rwhp with a HUGE powerband and the one car will walk away from the other. That's why normally a 600 rwhp nitrous car will pull on a 600 rwhp Blower car. Its all in the power band.

since I like to see the delta.. I normally dyno my car at the same place.. and use SAE numbers because they are normally Lower.. most of the guys using STD numbers are to over inflate their numbers... I couldn't give a fuck about setting a record.. I want to know where my powerband starts and stops.

Oxford14Stang 06-06-2013 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Luke (Post 33501)
Yeah, maybe that's the good drivers pulling that off, but 2.0 or slower is pretty terrible for a car with this much power. My auto even pulled a 1.94 60'

Don't expect good times from me, will be my first time ever going down a track.

Grandpa 06-06-2013 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by White_lightning (Post 33509)
I agree and disagree with you. a dyno is like you said a Tool...

I guess its the bench racer in me, but you can take a car making 900 rwhp with a very peaky power band and a car with 900 rwhp with a HUGE powerband and the one car will walk away from the other. That's why normally a 600 rwhp nitrous car will pull on a 600 rwhp Blower car. Its all in the power band.

since I like to see the delta.. I normally dyno my car at the same place.. and use SAE numbers because they are normally Lower.. most of the guys using STD numbers are to over inflate their numbers... I couldn't give a fuck about setting a record.. I want to know where my powerband starts and stops.

I agree. The area under the curve will tell you how your car is going to pull an where to shift.

White_lightning 06-06-2013 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve (Post 33518)
I agree. The area under the curve will tell you how your car is going to pull an where to shift.

but again.. its a tool.. I don't brag about dyno numbers.. hell I don't even like telling ppl the numbers.. but for example.. I dyno'ed all my blower combos on the same dyno. I have all my dyno files, so I could overlay them and see the exact power band difference between the old blower and the new one.

Grandpa 06-06-2013 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by White_lightning (Post 33523)
but again.. its a tool.. I don't brag about dyno numbers.. hell I don't even like telling ppl the numbers.. but for example.. I dyno'ed all my blower combos on the same dyno. I have all my dyno files, so I could overlay them and see the exact power band difference between the old blower and the new one.

Yup, I agree completely. Doing so allows you to tweak your set up and tune in a way that helps dialing in your car the correct way. Dyno numbers mean squat.

Oxford14Stang 06-06-2013 06:35 PM

Alright guys... newbie question. I've got no idea what the best way to post a video on here would be. I'm thinking upload it to my youtube channel and post link? Or is there a way that I can post it on here directly from my computer? For now, I'll post dyno pics of the car strapped and graph. Thanks for any help/pointers.

Grandpa 06-06-2013 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Oxford14Stang (Post 33539)
Alright guys... newbie question. I've got no idea what the best way to post a video on here would be. I'm thinking upload it to my youtube channel and post link? Or is there a way that I can post it on here directly from my computer? For now, I'll post dyno pics of the car strapped and graph. Thanks for any help/pointers.

Upload it on Youtube. Then use the Youtube tab above the box where you reply like so [YT] [ /YT].

Oxford14Stang 06-06-2013 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve (Post 33541)
Upload it on Youtube. Then use the Youtube tab above the box where you reply like so [YT] [ /YT].

Okay, will that tab be on youtube next to the reply there, or the tab will be here on this site next to our reply tab? because I can't find it :-/

Oxford14Stang 06-06-2013 06:42 PM

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White_lightning 06-06-2013 06:57 PM

Most prob 10-15 rwhp inflated because its in std

Oxford14Stang 06-06-2013 06:59 PM

Yes, that's what I figured it'd be. Don't know much about dynos.. this was my first time dynoing my car/any car. Just learning that's all but as it was mentioned before the SAE numbers would of been lower, and the STD numbers read high. I'm getting the hang of it. :)

Oxford14Stang 06-06-2013 07:05 PM

hmm.. give me a second to figure out how to get this video to post. If all else fails since I can't figure out this whole youtube tab thing I'll just post a link. I did however find the youtube tab, just no luck getting it to post the video on here.. just shows a link.

Selcouth 06-06-2013 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by White_lightning (Post 33523)
but again.. its a tool.. I don't brag about dyno numbers.. hell I don't even like telling ppl the numbers.. but for example.. I dyno'ed all my blower combos on the same dyno. I have all my dyno files, so I could overlay them and see the exact power band difference between the old blower and the new one.

I'll just leave this here.

:lol2:

The majority of members won't even be able to get into that thread, but I thought your comment was funny since you were posting dyno numbers on 5/23.



OP solid numbers to give you somewhat of a baseline. Now get your ass out to the track.

Oxford14Stang 06-06-2013 07:22 PM

Okay, can't seem to figure it out, so like I said I'll just post the link to the youtube page.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--bA1fGtWBA

there it is, on the dyno.

Oxford14Stang 06-06-2013 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Selcouth (Post 33569)
I'll just leave this here.

:lol2:

The majority of members won't even be able to get into that thread, but I thought your comment was funny since you were posting dyno numbers on 5/23.



OP solid numbers to give you somewhat of a baseline. Now get your ass out to the track.

Yes sir! will be out on the track for the first time tomorrow up at North star dragway

Grandpa 06-06-2013 07:24 PM

He was giving Sam props, not braggin about numbers. If you know Dave thats not his style.

Selcouth 06-06-2013 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve (Post 33572)
He was giving Sam props, not braggin about numbers. If you know Dave thats not his style.

Holy fawk Steve you are losing your touch, I'm giving him shit. You playing boyfriend again? Maybe I should have asked him if he feels like he can keep up with a turbo Cavi wagon now, since he was having issues awhile back keeping up with Veg.

White_lightning 06-06-2013 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Selcouth (Post 33569)
I'll just leave this here.

:lol2:

The majority of members won't even be able to get into that thread, but I thought your comment was funny since you were posting dyno numbers on 5/23.



OP solid numbers to give you somewhat of a baseline. Now get your ass out to the track.

I posted numbers to show the diff between the f1r and f1x and o give props to the builder/tuner.. Steve will tell you it is very rare for me to disclose numbers.. And you willl most likely not see my kill mode numbers :)

White_lightning 06-06-2013 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Selcouth (Post 33574)
Holy fawk Steve you are losing your touch, I'm giving him shit. You playing boyfriend again? Maybe I should have asked him if he feels like he can keep up with a turbo Cavi wagon now, since he was having issues awhile back keeping up with Veg.

I need 400-500 rwhp more to hang with veg.. That thing is an animal.. No corvette can keep up..

DirtyD 06-06-2013 07:36 PM

dynoing the car today
 
I only heard him shift to 4th I think

I could tell he did start in 2nd

Grandpa 06-06-2013 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Selcouth (Post 33574)
Holy fawk Steve you are losing your touch, I'm giving him shit. You playing boyfriend again? Maybe I should have asked him if he feels like he can keep up with a turbo Cavi wagon now, since he was having issues awhile back keeping up with Veg.

LOL, calming down in my old age. My e*warrior days a long over with. I just want to have a good time with good people. :)

Selcouth 06-06-2013 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by White_lightning (Post 33576)
I posted numbers to show the diff between the f1r and f1x and o give props to the builder/tuner.. Steve will tell you it is very rare for me to disclose numbers.. And you willl most likely not see my kill mode numbers :)

Admit it you are just a sandbagger at heart. You have reached a whole other level from the Supra.

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Originally Posted by White_lightning (Post 33578)
I need 400-500 rwhp more to hang with veg.. That thing is an animal.. No corvette can keep up..

Do you know why that is? His car is whats left after a dragon and a unicorn fucked...........twice

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Originally Posted by Steve (Post 33580)
LOL, calming down in my old age. My e*warrior days a long over with. I just want to have a good time with good people. :)

I've noticed you are a lot more tame these days. Nothing wrong with that. You seem very content in life. That's a good thing.

White_lightning 06-06-2013 09:19 PM

Selcouth.. I dont recognize your nick.. Who are you?:)

Selcouth 06-06-2013 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by White_lightning (Post 33595)
Selcouth.. I dont recognize your nick.. Who are you?:)

I don't believe we have personally met. But I'm a whore when it comes to car forums. Back in the day when the charity races were going on I was on Team Yellow Devil where Ricky was the team leader.

I was also an avid street racer/spectator from back in the day. Every weekend and some week nights I'd go out to Regal Row, Cockrell Hill, Sweatheart, Newberry, Cali Crossing(always hated racing on that road), and many others. I was there when BB was shot from TSP. Years later I found out it was Alky running his 4 wheeler at the races, and then met a few other guys later in life at various meets like Circuit City in Plano, Kellers, RKC, etc. I've been around, but never have had anything fast people know me by. I just live vicariously through all you ballers.

Oxford14Stang 06-06-2013 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyD (Post 33579)
I only heard him shift to 4th I think

I could tell he did start in 2nd

It is difficult to hear, but I do believe he started in second. And I also too can hear the 4th gear shift. Just can't tell if he ever went to 5th. Would dynoing the car.in 4th hurt or help dyno numbers? Just curious

White_lightning 06-06-2013 10:07 PM

aaah cool.. i was going to say:) most of the youngins dont remeber me smackin around the termies with my stock twins supra :) man the green machine was a fun car..

Oxford14Stang 06-06-2013 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by White_lightning (Post 33608)
aaah cool.. i was going to say:) most of the youngins dont remeber me smackin around the termies with my stock twins supra :) man the green machine was a fun car..

You didn't happen to have ur supra back in 05' did yah? Reason I say my ex bro-inlaw had a silver 03 KB Cobra I remember him running one a lot like you described had I believe 400hp or so. Lost the race to the snake but were good runs. Ring any bells? (Cobra around the hurst-euless-bedford area

White_lightning 06-06-2013 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Oxford14Stang (Post 33610)
You didn't happen to have ur supra back in 05' did yah? Reason I say my ex bro-inlaw had a silver 03 KB Cobra I remember him running one a lot like you described had I believe 400hp or so. Lost the race to the snake but were good runs. Ring any bells? (Cobra around the hurst-euless-bedford area

I had mine from 02-06.. and never lost to a silver cobra so wasn't me.. most of the cobras I ran ended up confused when I popped the hood and there was no single under the hood... :)

this is my 442 rwhp supra Vs a 440 rwhp Firehawk..



here is some old school racing from back in the day :)


http://www.streetfire.net/video/supr...-cars_3539.htm

Smurf50 06-06-2013 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by White_lightning (Post 33613)
I had mine from 02-06.. and never lost to a silver cobra so wasn't me.. most of the cobras I ran ended up confused when I popped the hood and there was no single under the hood... :)

this is my 442 rwhp supra Vs a 440 rwhp Firehawk..



here is some old school racing from back in the day :)


http://www.streetfire.net/video/supr...-cars_3539.htm

Man I miss your old cars Feldman, they were fun to watch :p And the stories on LS1/LS2 were great as well :D

White_lightning 06-06-2013 11:45 PM

Sorry to the op... I hijacked your thread lol..

Grandpa 06-07-2013 01:14 AM

No worries Jewbacca, nothing stays on track around here anyways. lol

Oxford14Stang 06-07-2013 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by White_lightning (Post 33627)
Sorry to the op... I hijacked your thread lol..

Lol, its all good man. Its general discussion :)

White_lightning 06-07-2013 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Oxford14Stang (Post 33660)
Lol, its all good man. Its general discussion :)

i'll admit im a bench racer.. I analyze and analyze the data im provided.. It works for me... some other ppl dont care about the dyno at all and just go to the track Which is awesome too. I'm not a track person so it means nothing to me.

here are a few standard things i like with the dyno.

Pick a place. And dyno your car there every time. some dynos vary up to 10%.. so a mod that might gain you 20-30 hp might show NO effect at all moving dyno to dyno.
Stick to SAE.. Some shops put the output in STD to boost number and "make the customer fell happier"..

here is an example.. with headers/CAI/tune my car made 431/421 Uncorrected.. SAE was 435/425 and STD was 445/434... 9 rwhp isnt really that much of a difference.. but on that day the 2 correction factors were CLOSE since as you can see the uncorrected was almost the same as SAE.

with the first blower and stock motor.. Uncorrected was 760/645.. SAE was 779/662 and STD was 794/675.

Another thing that i like to do is get the dyno files. bring a little flash drive with and have them copy the files over for you. I have almost every single dyno i have done on my car and it is usefull when comparing one mod to another.


again.... i have been acused of being a bench racer and a sandbagger, but clearly my tools are working for me :)

DirtyD 06-07-2013 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by White_lightning (Post 33667)
i'll admit im a bench racer.. I analyze and analyze the data im provided.. It works for me... some other ppl dont care about the dyno at all and just go to the track Which is awesome too. I'm not a track person so it means nothing to me.

here are a few standard things i like with the dyno.

Pick a place. And dyno your car there every time. some dynos vary up to 10%.. so a mod that might gain you 20-30 hp might show NO effect at all moving dyno to dyno.
Stick to SAE.. Some shops put the output in STD to boost number and "make the customer fell happier"..

here is an example.. with headers/CAI/tune my car made 431/421 Uncorrected.. SAE was 435/425 and STD was 445/434... 9 rwhp isnt really that much of a difference.. but on that day the 2 correction factors were CLOSE since as you can see the uncorrected was almost the same as SAE.

with the first blower and stock motor.. Uncorrected was 760/645.. SAE was 779/662 and STD was 794/675.

Another thing that i like to do is get the dyno files. bring a little flash drive with and have them copy the files over for you. I have almost every single dyno i have done on my car and it is usefull when comparing one mod to another.


again.... i have been acused of being a bench racer and a sandbagger, but clearly my tools are working for me :)

See, I'm not the only one. I know I haven't been around to know enough, but I can still work with the info I'm provided to come to a logical conclusion.

White_lightning 06-07-2013 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyD (Post 33675)
See, I'm not the only one. I know I haven't been around to know enough, but I can still work with the info I'm provided to come to a logical conclusion.

i like to compare the gearing to the powerband on the dyno to figure out where i need to shift.. i SUCK at the driving.. so i need to make sure i have as much information to help my decision on when to shift as possible lol

Grandpa 06-07-2013 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by White_lightning (Post 33676)
i like to compare the gearing to the powerband on the dyno to figure out where i need to shift.. i SUCK at the driving.. so i need to make sure i have as much information to help my decision on when to shift as possible lol

When it stops pulling....shift! :D

White_lightning 06-07-2013 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve (Post 33681)
When it stops pulling....shift! :D

works great.. EXCEPT then the car right next to you is still pulling:)

Oxford14Stang 06-07-2013 10:41 AM

Alright, correction won't be able to take it to the track today. North star drag way has no street three tonight.. will go another time tho


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