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**STROKD** · 07-01-2013, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by BLK2012GT

I'm not just running pump gas. I'm adding torco to it.

I have a couple 5 gallon pails of Torco Id sell if interested. Wont be using it in either of the Stangs.

**BLK2012GT** · 07-01-2013, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by STROKD

I have a couple 5 gallon pails of Torco Id sell if interested. Wont be using it in either of the Stangs.

How much? And why aren't you using it?

**46Tbird** · 07-01-2013, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by 04sleeper

It won't hurt my feelings if you don't want to run E85. I just want to help you understand there are drawbacks with anything.

Exactly.

You gotta change the oil a lot on E85 too, due to significant water absorption. I wouldn't go much further than 2k miles myself, but I'm sure the E85 pros will chime in on their thoughts as well.

This is a crankcase catch can after 100 miles of running E85 on a boosted Evo:

**46Tbird** · 07-01-2013, 06:36 PM

Every fuel option has upsides and downsides. E85 is an awesome alternative for cars that need a high octane rating and some street use. It has some maintenance issues and it's hard on fuel systems, although the '11+ Mustangs don't seem to have an issue with it.

I never like mixing fuels, not because it's going to mess up some secret 'formula' for maximum performance, but because it's just a pain in the fucking ass. Driving to the gas station, putting some 93 in the car, then going back home and putting the right amount of 110 in it... think I'll pass.

**Grandpa** · 07-01-2013, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by 46Tbird

Every fuel option has upsides and downsides. E85 is an awesome alternative for cars that need a high octane rating and some street use. It has some maintenance issues and it's hard on fuel systems, although the '11+ Mustangs don't seem to have an issue with it.

I never like mixing fuels, not because it's going to mess up some secret 'formula' for maximum performance, but because it's just a pain in the fucking ass. Driving to the gas station, putting some 93 in the car, then going back home and putting the right amount of 110 in it... think I'll pass.

I agree completely. If my car was a daily, I'd leave it on 93 for sure. And really, if someone is looking for a hassle free set up then a full out build car probably isn't for them anyways or at the most going up to the point where its as far as you go on 93 octane.

However, if you're looking at building a monster, there is always going to be some extra work and hoops to jump through. You gotta pay to play!

**STROKD** · 07-01-2013, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by BLK2012GT

How much? And why aren't you using it?

dont need it, cars make good pwr on pump (600 for the slow one and bout double that for the less slow one)... dont need it anymore.

**Doug1227** · 07-02-2013, 11:07 AM

I'll just roll with 93 and throw some race gas in at the track when I'm beating on it.....

**46Tbird** · 07-02-2013, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by BLK2012GT

Do any of those 900 rwhp has 13:1 compression. I bet all of them are boosted. Like I said boosted and low compression cars has great success and worth the e85. NA and high compression is a different story.

So I am curious...

Jeff, besides fuel mileage (which surely you know about before running it) what makes you think E85 "didn't work" for you? Your car seems like a perfect candidate for it. Are you disappointed with your numbers? Are the numbers better with race fuel? Since I'm not "in the loop" with the current status of everyone's car I have no idea why you're so anti-E85.

Originally Posted by BLK2012GT

I filled my mustang with e85 and ran like shit. Convince me it's the best stuff ever.

So the tune was a problem? Seems like maybe you should consider having it tuned by someone else, just to see if there is a difference. The fuel was certainly not a problem - there are E85 and flex fuel vehicles in use all over the country that don't have drivability problems.

**BLK2012GT** · 07-02-2013, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by 46Tbird

So I am curious...

Jeff, besides fuel mileage (which surely you know about before running it) what makes you think E85 "didn't work" for you? Your car seems like a perfect candidate for it. Are you disappointed with your numbers? Are the numbers better with race fuel? Since I'm not "in the loop" with the current status of everyone's car I have no idea why you're so anti-E85.

I knew about the mileage but it dropped a lot more then expected. And the idle sucked on it. It die on me a lot which before with cams and pump gas it never did. If I get below a 1/4 of a tank it felt like my engine was starving and it would die on me EVERY TIME I came to a stop. So it might be just my build I don't know but people I have talk to and TS has talk to, no one has had any luck with e85 and bump compression or my kind of build.

**46Tbird** · 07-02-2013, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by BLK2012GT

I knew about the mileage but it dropped a lot more then expected. And the idle sucked on it. It die on me a lot which before with cams and pump gas it never did. If I get below a 1/4 of a tank it felt like my engine was starving and it would die on me EVERY TIME I came to a stop. So it might be just my build I don't know but people I have talk to and TS has talk to, no one has had any luck with e85 and bump compression or my kind of build.

Bad idle and dying when coming to a stop is not an E85 issue. Is someone working on getting the pump gas / race gas tune done? I'm interested in knowing the numbers and how much the drivability improves.

**BLK2012GT** · 07-02-2013, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by 46Tbird

Bad idle and dying when coming to a stop is not an E85 issue. Is someone working on getting the pump gas / race gas tune done? I'm interested in knowing the numbers and how much the drivability improves.

Yes and should have numbers by this end of this week.

**StormTrooper** · 07-02-2013, 03:53 PM

Ever had rice pudding, that shit is nasty?

**GTRacerX** · 07-02-2013, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by GTRacerX

What all is involved in changing over to E85 on the coyote motors. I know a tune would be required, but what about the fuel lines and injectors etc.?

Thanks for answering my question everyone

blownaltered · 07-02-2013, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by GTRacerX

Thanks for answering my question everyone

from what I gather injectors and a tune. The lines are fine. But I don't have a coyote so if you really want to know pm 04sleeper

**DirtyD** · 07-02-2013, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by GTRacerX

Thanks for answering my question everyone

Minimum 47# injectors and a tune. Talk with 04sleeper. But as its said before, for a daily driver it isn't the smartest move if you are worried about economy.