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**Dominic Toretto** · 02-11-2014, 04:59 PM

I agree with a lot of what Steve says actually. I just think it's ridiculous to attribute health problems on ONE aspect of someone's diet. Of course if you test some obese behemoths whose only physical activity is pressing the buttons on a remote is stuffed full of red meat and they develope problems then they blame red meat. They don't say, well the person was already in poor physical condition or the person never worked out, etc etc.

A friend of mine in college said "creatine doesn't work" when he only worked out twice a month and played Halo all day.

-Alex

**Grandpa** · 02-11-2014, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto

I agree with a lot of what Steve says actually. I just think it's ridiculous to attribute health problems on ONE aspect of someone's diet. Of course if you test some obese behemoths whose only physical activity is pressing the buttons on a remote is stuffed full of red meat and they develope problems then they blame red meat. They don't say, well the person was already in poor physical condition or the person never worked out, etc etc.

A friend of mine in college said "creatine doesn't work" when he only worked out twice a month and played Halo all day.

-Alex

"Nothing works unless YOU do."

We're trying to get to the same place, just taking different paths to get there is all.

That is one thing that drives me crazy about some people. When it comes to the subject of supplements. Some people spend a LOT of money taking this or that, tons of whey proteins, fat burners, pre-workouts, post workouts etc, but yet their diet isn't on point. You can't supplement a crap diet!! All of that stuff is just a complete waste unless you eat completely clean and put your body in a heavily overworked state. Even then a lot of the stuff on the market is questionable. But that is another subject.

Personally, I don't think anyone should take anything that your body makes naturally like creatine unless your body is constantly being overloaded with heavy work loads. Even then, something like creatine supplements should be cycled in and out of your system regularly. The body is a very adaptive machine. When you take in something naturally made like creatine, your body will adjust for it because the additional creatine being taken in and will stop making it. When you come off of it will throw things completely out of whack.

**BERT** · 02-11-2014, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT

"Nothing works unless YOU do."

We're trying to get to the same place, just taking different paths to get there is all.

That is one thing that drives me crazy about some people. When it comes to the subject of supplements. Some people spend a LOT of money taking this or that, tons of whey proteins, fat burners, pre-workouts, post workouts etc, but yet their diet isn't on point. You can't supplement a crap diet!! All of that stuff is just a complete waste unless you eat completely clean and put your body in a heavily overworked state. Even then a lot of the stuff on the market is questionable. But that is another subject.

Personally, I don't think anyone should take anything that your body makes naturally like creatine unless your body is constantly being overloaded with heavy work loads. Even then, something like creatine supplements should be cycled in and out of your system regularly. The body is a very adaptive machine. When you take in something naturally made like creatine, your body will adjust for it because the additional creatine being taken in and will stop making it. When you come off of it will throw things completely out of whack.

You're a regular 'ol Richard Simmons

**Grandpa** · 02-11-2014, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by BERT

You're a regular 'ol Richard Simmons

LOL, yeah. Life has thrown me some curveballs the last year for sure and I've changed a lot. It's been long overdue for quite some time.

blownaltered · 02-11-2014, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT

"Nothing works unless YOU do."

We're trying to get to the same place, just taking different paths to get there is all.

That is one thing that drives me crazy about some people. When it comes to the subject of supplements. Some people spend a LOT of money taking this or that, tons of whey proteins, fat burners, pre-workouts, post workouts etc, but yet their diet isn't on point. You can't supplement a crap diet!! All of that stuff is just a complete waste unless you eat completely clean and put your body in a heavily overworked state. Even then a lot of the stuff on the market is questionable. But that is another subject.

Personally, I don't think anyone should take anything that your body makes naturally like creatine unless your body is constantly being overloaded with heavy work loads. Even then, something like creatine supplements should be cycled in and out of your system regularly. The body is a very adaptive machine. When you take in something naturally made like creatine, your body will adjust for it because the additional creatine being taken in and will stop making it. When you come off of it will throw things completely out of whack.

I don't do pre-workout stuff or creatine. Most pre-workout supplements have a lot of caffeine in them and my body does not like it. Almost passed out at the gym on no exploded.

As for protein shakes I drink those but not to try and clean up my diet but more for a meal replacement since I am constantly on the road. It's just a simple efficient way to get some protein without being a pain in the ass. ( maybe around 3 or so, kind of my between lunch and dinner snack ) Also I do, do a post workout protein which is good for muscle recovery.

**Grandpa** · 02-11-2014, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by blownaltered

I don't do pre-workout stuff or creatine. Most pre-workout supplements have a lot of caffeine in them and my body does not like it. Almost passed out at the gym on no exploded.

As for protein shakes I drink those but not to try and clean up my diet but more for a meal replacement since I am constantly on the road. It's just a simple efficient way to get some protein without being a pain in the ass. ( maybe around 3 or so, kind of my between lunch and dinner snack ) Also I do, do a post workout protein which is good for muscle recovery.

In my opinion you don't need to do that yet. Your body has plenty of reserves right now to repair itself. You just need to make sure you are thouroughly hydrated so what you eat can move through your system. That train of thought of taking in protein after a workout is a bodybuilding mentality for people who are already lean.

blownaltered · 02-11-2014, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT

In my opinion you don't need to do that yet. Your body has plenty of reserves right now to repair itself. You just need to make sure you are thouroughly hydrated so what you eat can move through your system. That train of thought of taking in protein after a workout is a bodybuilding mentality for people who are already lean.

Not true man. I've sat down with dietitians before and they told me to take in protein to repair my muscles even while losing weight. Yes I have fat but that's not muscle building protein, your looking at protein the wrong way.

**Dominic Toretto** · 02-11-2014, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by blownaltered

Not true man. I've sat down with dietitians before and they told me to take in protein to repair my muscles even while losing weight. Yes I have fat but that's not muscle building protein, your looking at protein the wrong way.

+1.

-Alex

**Dominic Toretto** · 02-11-2014, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT

That train of thought of taking in protein after a workout is a bodybuilding mentality for people who are already lean.

I'm confused. Are you advocating to not intake protein after working out?

-Alex

**Grandpa** · 02-11-2014, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto

I'm confused. Are you advocating to not intake protein after working out?

-Alex

Required protein for activity level and his current health status. He doesnt need EXTRA protein when he is already very overweight and has extra fat storage to burn off. Just meeting his macros for eating at a calorie deficet.

blownaltered · 02-11-2014, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT

Required protein for activity level and his current health status. He doesnt need EXTRA protein when he is already very overweight and has extra fat storage to burn off. Just meeting his macros for eating at a calorie deficet.

That hurts, I'm just fluffy.

**Dominic Toretto** · 02-12-2014, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT

Required protein for activity level and his current health status. He doesnt need EXTRA protein when he is already very overweight and has extra fat storage to burn off. Just meeting his macros for eating at a calorie deficet.

You do realize he said he is trying to BUILD muscle while losing fat right? You can't possibly increase muscle mass while maintaining the same amount of protein.

Fat and protein are not the same. Losing weight as fat doesn't help him build muscle. It will help him burn fat AND muscle even if he maintains 1 gram protein/pound of body weight.

-Alex