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**Dan12GT** · 09-05-2012, 12:21 PM

Ya those ones are very similar to Raxiom's the key difference I can see is the lenses they use are clear with a black housing. I don't like how dark Raxiom's tinted ones are or the chrome ones.

**dallasmike** · 09-05-2012, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Dan12GT

Ya those ones are very similar to Raxiom's the key difference I can see is the lenses they use are clear with a black housing. I don't like how dark Raxiom's tinted ones are or the chrome ones.

Yeah I noticed that. I like the look. It seems these are built by raxiom specifically for LMR and they are exclusive through them.

**Quake5.0** · 09-05-2012, 03:42 PM

So you can tune? No offence but I would like some sorta I idea what to expect. I know sean at truestreet is supposed to be the man in DFW! But I have heard from a few that they have got better tunes with a CAI other places. If I spend the money I really want the best!

**Grandpa** · 09-05-2012, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Quake5.0

So you can tune? No offence but I would like some sorta I idea what to expect. I know sean at truestreet is supposed to be the man in DFW! But I have heard from a few that they have got better tunes with a CAI other places. If I spend the money I really want the best!

I believe, no matter what you do or how hard you try, you cannot baptize cats.

**dallasmike** · 09-05-2012, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by Quake5.0

So you can tune? No offence but I would like some sorta I idea what to expect. I know sean at truestreet is supposed to be the man in DFW! But I have heard from a few that they have got better tunes with a CAI other places. If I spend the money I really want the best!

To each their own. Most canned tunes are far from optimized. It's interesting for me to come into the ford world where canned tunes are considered the norm. In the GM world, canned tunes are considered to be the worst option. For the guys doing these canned tunes, it's big money. Get one car, add in some timing and fuel, take out some torque management, bump up shift pressures a bit, rinse and repeat. Where as with a custom tune, we take each individual car out and do driveability tuning, and then take it to the dyno and tweak each and every car to be optimized. Truth be told, you make far less money with custom tuning. It's much easier to sell a programmer and load a file rather than spending the time to do it right. But at the end of the day, I sleep better knowing I did it the right way and not the way that made me the most money.

**Grandpa** · 09-05-2012, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by dallasmike

To each their own. Most canned tunes are far from optimized. It's interesting for me to come into the ford world where canned tunes are considered the norm. In the GM world, canned tunes are considered to be the worst option. For the guys doing these canned tunes, it's big money. Get one car, add in some timing and fuel, take out some torque management, bump up shift pressures a bit, rinse and repeat. Where as with a custom tune, we take each individual car out and do driveability tuning, and then take it to the dyno and tweak each and every car to be optimized. Truth be told, you make far less money with custom tuning. It's much easier to sell a programmer and load a file rather than spending the time to do it right. But at the end of the day, I sleep better knowing I did it the right way and not the way that made me the most money.

Agreed 100%. Custom tune is the best and safest way to go. Having it tuned in the enviorment the car is intended to be driven in is the only way to accurately insure the car will run properly and safely.

Most canned tuners are file clickers, throw it together, send it out and hope for the best.

**jayman33** · 09-05-2012, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by dallasmike

To each their own. Most canned tunes are far from optimized. It's interesting for me to come into the ford world where canned tunes are considered the norm. In the GM world, canned tunes are considered to be the worst option. For the guys doing these canned tunes, it's big money. Get one car, add in some timing and fuel, take out some torque management, bump up shift pressures a bit, rinse and repeat. Where as with a custom tune, we take each individual car out and do driveability tuning, and then take it to the dyno and tweak each and every car to be optimized. Truth be told, you make far less money with custom tuning. It's much easier to sell a programmer and load a file rather than spending the time to do it right. But at the end of the day, I sleep better knowing I did it the right way and not the way that made me the most money.

I like the way you think and, do business. Too many "tooners" out there that see the potential in making money. I'm glad we still have some tuners out there still willing to do the right thing. They exist don't get me wrong but not as much as they should.

**Dan12GT** · 09-05-2012, 07:43 PM

Not only are the custom tunes safer and more reliable but they also establish a name for the tuner / shop as well. You may not have made a bunch of money up front initially but I can guarantee if a tuner / shop does me right that first time I will keep coming back for more. Then you make more money in the end

**Grandpa** · 09-05-2012, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by Dan12GT

Not only are the custom tunes safer and more reliable but they also establish a name for the tuner / shop as well. You may not have made a bunch of money up front initially but I can guarantee if a tuner / shop does me right that first time I will keep coming back for more. Then you make more money in the end

Exactly! Real customer service is so far and few between companies these days. That's why when I find places with great service, I stick with it. And I'm not talking about service that stops once they get my money either.