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**BLK2012GT** · 09-02-2013, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by wbt

I have far too much to loose getting caught street racing or killing someone else doing it. I would expect someone with a new kid to consider the consequences.

Same offer I made before, I'll line up anytime at the track.

Really? Not a matter of being a dick. Jeff made a snide comment, as usual, and he got it in return.

A repeat of what I posted.
http://www.dfw50s.com/showpost.php?p=48134&postcount=39

I have no issue outside of some of the comments. My whole thing is don't rely solely on dyno numbers. CAI's are a perfect example, Jeff's car is a perfect example.

Explain to everyone what data you have accumulated street racing that shows the CJ intake isn't worth the extra money?

You can get hurt or worst at the track to. You pick and choose your areas where you want to race on the street.

And I made a remark cause your buddy misread what I wrote and said a shitty comment.

And from what I seen from other cars there really isn't that much gain for an extra 500-1100 dollars. The price varies cause people might buy TB for the boss manifold.

And actually my car isn't a perfect example. Like I posted before I race a person in this group who ran the same time as me. But when we raced on the street I killed him by a lot of car lengths.

blownaltered · 09-02-2013, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by BLK2012GT

You can get hurt or worst at the track to. You pick and choose your areas where you want to race on the street.

And I made a remark cause your buddy misread what I wrote and said a shitty comment.

And from what I seen from other cars there really isn't that much gain for an extra 500-1100 dollars. The price varies cause people might buy TB for the boss manifold.

And actually my car isn't a perfect example. Like I posted before I race a person in this group who ran the same time as me. But when we raced on the street I killed him by a lot of car lengths.

Man that wbt guy has a hard on for you for some reason. I like how he keeps comparing his auto stall car that he races every weekend and has set it up for that to you car which was just finished and has only been to the track once. That's a good comparison.

**wbt** · 09-02-2013, 11:30 PM

No need for this info.

**Dominic Toretto** · 09-02-2013, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by wbt

I have far too much to loose getting caught street racing or killing someone else doing it. I would expect someone with a new kid to consider the consequences.

Thanks mom.

Because racing on a track is without consequences or safety hazards. I feel sorry for people that are scared too enjoy life to the point where they have to try to critique others for doing so.

-Alex

**Dominic Toretto** · 09-02-2013, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by wbt

My whole thing is don't rely solely on dyno numbers.

As long as I have been around cars, the ONLY method of determining the power output of an engine, is a dyno. What else are you using to determine power levels?

-Alex

**BLK2012GT** · 09-02-2013, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto

As long as I have been around cars, the ONLY method of determining the power output of an engine, is a dyno. What else are you using to determine power levels?

-Alex

The track is a good way to but to a point.

**Grandpa** · 09-02-2013, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto

As long as I have been around cars, the ONLY method of determining the power output of an engine, is a dyno. What else are you using to determine power levels?

-Alex

He is using the tried and true way of measuring performance by using track data. Datalogging, ET's, MPH, 0-60, shifts, temps, etc.

WBT is correct in saying that dyno results mean very little. How the car performs in it's intended envoirment is really the only proper way to determine accurate results.

Some of us old folk were doing this long before the use of dynos were the norm. I use to tune my blower cars the old fashion way with a timing light, reading plugs, fuel pressure and checking tire prints. We had no idea (nor did we care) what the car made at the tires. It was how the car performed.

Now that dynos are everywhere and technology is common place that most people don't know how to work on their cars anymore without a programmer in their hands that the dyno numbers have become more about bragging rights or measuring how a car "should" run.

It happens all the time a car makes great power on the dyno and doesn't run like it should according to what one thinks it should. Same goes for the other way, some cars dyno like ass but run like a scalded ape on the street.

It all comes down to a solid tune, a proper set up and a driver who knows how to optimize all of it to take advantage of it.

**Grandpa** · 09-02-2013, 11:10 PM

I see both sides of it. You both have very solid points. I just think you are both doing different things.

I like WBT's technical side of posting, but it's heavily track based, which is cool, but doesn't apply to everyone as far as use goes. I DO agree with WBT it's going to be up to the individual owner if the CJ intake is going to be worth the $1k, or settle for the cheaper Boss.

Side note - Jeff, solid posts and well done on keeping your cool bro!

**Dan12GT** · 09-02-2013, 11:11 PM

I'd like to see the time slips on both those runs. 1 1/10 of a second isn't what I would call measurable evidence.

**Grandpa** · 09-02-2013, 11:13 PM

Let's keep this on topic with racing/cars. Personal attacks will not be tolerated. We're all adults here, lets behave as such.

**Dominic Toretto** · 09-03-2013, 12:00 AM

For future reference, can I expect the same arbitrary commentary if another two similar parts are being compared for measuring power output?

-Alex

**Dominic Toretto** · 09-03-2013, 12:16 AM

Not sure how derailed this thread will be in the morning but I expect it to be just as "entertaining" as it has been. You guys have a good night.

-Alex

**Grandpa** · 09-03-2013, 12:18 AM

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto

Not sure how derailed this thread will be in the morning but I expect it to be just as "entertaining" as it has been. You guys have a good night.

-Alex

No worries. It's just a discussion. We're all here for the same reason, just doing it different ways. Have a good nights rest.

**kdanner** · 09-03-2013, 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by Rebelracer568

So with that being said. The only difference between the boss 302 intake and cj is the fact your have to run a gt500 tb and cai. So that giving you the extra hp.

You forgot the larger plenum, especially in the rear, which provides room for the full bellmouths on all the runners, which the Boss does not have. This is the most important thing.

Originally Posted by BLK2012GT

Here's the thing. They live at the track and only care about what happens at the track. I really could careless what my car does. I always wanted a black/black 6 spd 500 rwhp NA and big shot of nitrous. Guess what i have it. And I highly doubt their bolt on car would beat my car on the hwy.

Well I haven't drag raced my car since June of 2012, but I made some 180 MPH runs on an unprepared surface which other than being rougher than the typical highway is no different than what you're talking about. Lots of blown cars couldn't keep up with me in a full mile. Now be careful, remember what happened the last time you mouthed off about how you were going to beat everyone.

Originally Posted by BLK2012GT

LOL it won't happen. He doesn't street race. Which is fine cause I don't track race only.

You want some street action do you? You REALLY sure that is what you want? What's the excuse going to be when you lose there?

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto

As long as I have been around cars, the ONLY method of determining the power output of an engine, is a dyno. What else are you using to determine power levels?

I race cars, not engines. Horsepower is only a part of the big picture.

**Dominic Toretto** · 09-03-2013, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT

No worries. It's just a discussion. We're all here for the same reason, just doing it different ways. Have a good nights rest.

Well rested. Looks like everyone has calmed down

Originally Posted by wbt

My posts were simply saying don't consider dyno numbers as gospel. I have said it multiple times. No other way I can explain it.

If you guys want to get hung up on dyno numbers no problem. My car has never seen a dyno and would probably make around 250 at the tire but it has run 10's at every major track in Texas and has done so in every season of the year.

I'll stick to datalogging and track testing under real world conditions to evaluate effectiveness of performance parts.

I agree with everything you are saying.

Originally Posted by kdanner

I race cars, not engines. Horsepower is only a part of the big picture.

No one is disagreeing with that.

-Alex