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**Dominic Toretto** · 11-08-2013, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by BERT

Depends on how many bottles you go through

People here are not considering longterm usability, clearly. So a bottle of nitrous always wins in the power/dollar argument.

-Alex

**Grandpa** · 11-08-2013, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto

Nope. Does it cost ~$8,000 for parts and labor and tuning for a nitrous setup though?

-Alex

A GOOD nitrous kit can cost as much as some blowers. Add to that constant bottle refills at $45 bucks a pop which is a never ending expense.

Add to that a nitrous set up isn't always ready. It needs to be armed, good bottle pressure which means you need a good bottle heater and remote valve opener. That's if you want a good street set up.

You can do it on the cheap for a track like the old days heating it up with a torch of course and a button, but that's kinda ghetto now in the day and age of tech we have now.

re-rx7 · 11-08-2013, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT

A GOOD nitrous kit can cost as much as some blowers. Add to that constant bottle refills at $45 bucks a pop which is a never ending expense.

Add to that a nitrous set up isn't always ready. It needs to be armed, good bottle pressure which means you need a good bottle heater and remote valve opener. That's if you want a good street set up.

You can do it on the cheap for a track like the old days heating it up with a torch of course and a button, but that's kinda ghetto now in the day and age of tech we have now.

Good nitrous kit I.E all the goodies prolly around 1500 new.

re-rx7 · 11-08-2013, 11:02 AM

I loved building the Na hondas as funny as that sounds. To build a fast NA car you really have to know your shit and that particular car to get every ounce of pony!

**Grandpa** · 11-08-2013, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by re-rx7

I loved building the Na hondas as funny as that sounds. To build a fast NA car you really have to know your shit and that particular car to get every ounce of pony!

Its all good. Everyone has their things they are into. If that is the challenge you want to give yourself, I say go for it.

re-rx7 · 11-08-2013, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT

Its all good. Everyone has their things they are into. If that is the challenge you want to give yourself, I say go for it.

Im in no way denying that a supercharger and or juice is a easy way to get alot of power. NA is very expensive once you ad it all up but cheaper if you think of it as part by part. Alot of people have a hard time spending 5k plus on a supercharger. Even if I had it I would feel somewhat guilty buying it because thats alot of cash that could be used for something else.

**Dominic Toretto** · 11-08-2013, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by re-rx7

Im in no way denying that a supercharger and or juice is a easy way to get alot of power. NA is very expensive once you ad it all up but cheaper if you think of it as part by part. Alot of people have a hard time spending 5k plus on a supercharger. Even if I had it I would feel somewhat guilty buying it because thats alot of cash that could be used for something else.

Looks like building a stout NA application would cost more and definitely yield less power, as to be expected. Just funny people think they can slap on a blower, run 8lbs of boost all day and night on a stock bottom end and expect it to be as reliable and cheap as doing the same thing with an strong NA build.

These motors are pretty new. So I don't trust anyone that says, yes you can add 50% horsepower on a stock bottom and and race it all day and expect the stock pistons and rods to be just fine. That's just dumb. Once I see people doing that upwards of 60k plus miles on a blower setup with stock internals, I'll consider it. Until then, it's just a dumb assumption.

-Alex

**Grandpa** · 11-08-2013, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto

Looks like building a stout NA application would cost more and definitely yield less power, as to be expected. Just funny people think they can slap on a blower, run 8lbs of boost all day and night on a stock bottom end and expect it to be as reliable and cheap as doing the same thing with an strong NA build.

These motors are pretty new. So I don't trust anyone that says, yes you can add 50% horsepower on a stock bottom and and race it all day and expect the stock pistons and rods to be just fine. That's just dumb. Once I see people doing that upwards of 60k plus miles on a blower setup with stock internals, I'll consider it. Until then, it's just a dumb assumption.

-Alex

I'm pretty sure that anyone here that is looking to make good power isn't planning on the stock motor to get them there in the long run. It's pretty much a given at that power level that a motor build is in the plan at some point which is why you see so many people buying blowers that are bigger than the stock motor can handle, but being able to crank up later on a built one. Room to grow so to speak.

re-rx7 · 11-08-2013, 12:14 PM

550 to 600 seems to be pretty reliable. Ford racing offers a kit thats is covered on a 1yr 12k mile warranty IMO that says something. IT really comes down to how the owner treats the car.

**Dominic Toretto** · 11-08-2013, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by re-rx7

550 to 600 seems to be pretty reliable. Ford racing offers a kit thats is covered on a 1yr 12k mile warranty IMO that says something. IT really comes down to how the owner treats the car.

And for those that want to be able to beat on their cars reliably daily, they will have to fork over more to build the bottom end to handle the abuse.

I like driving a fun car often. Not just 3 days out of the month. To me it's not very fun to have a fast car that you have to pamper because you're scared a rod will break. So for those that do enjoy that, hey cool. I just know I wouldn't. So in my eyes, the cost of a successful blower setup includes a built bottom end.

-Alex

re-rx7 · 11-08-2013, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto

And for those that want to be able to beat on their cars reliably daily, they will have to fork over more to build the bottom end to handle the abuse.

I like driving a fun car often. Not just 3 days out of the month. To me it's not very fun to have a fast car that you have to pamper because you're scared a rod will break. So for those that do enjoy that, hey cool. I just know I wouldn't. So in my eyes, the cost of a successful blower setup includes a built bottom end.

-Alex

My car is basically stock right now, I do not beat it everyday. Hell, Id be lucky to redline it once a week. LOL I think my motor would last a long time even at 650 LOL. This is all hypothetical though lots of factors.

**Dominic Toretto** · 11-08-2013, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT

I'm pretty sure that anyone here that is looking to make good power isn't planning on the stock motor to get them there in the long run..

I can bite on to that idea. At least with that, you can see how long a stock one will last at boost and figure out the weak points of the internals.

Originally Posted by re-rx7

My car is basically stock right now, I do not beat it everyday. Hell, Id be lucky to redline it once a week. LOL I think my motor would last a long time even at 650 LOL. This is all hypothetical though lots of factors.

Me personally, I'm going to give it a few years to see what developes from people that have spent the money and effort. I don't want to make their mistakes

-Alex

re-rx7 · 11-08-2013, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto

Me personally, I'm going to give it a few years to see what developes from people that have spent the money and effort. I don't want to make their mistakes

-Alex

Exactly. When the Kseries honda came out everyone was bitching about how the motor was weaker then the Bseries. Now 450-500 on stock internals is a well known fact. Just like the S2000 making 600whp on stock bottom ends is reliable. The record for that stock long block is 700whp.

**wbt** · 11-08-2013, 12:36 PM

No need for this info.

**Dominic Toretto** · 11-08-2013, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by wbt

Something else to consider, and it really does come down to setting up goals....if you decide to put together an N/A build short to medium term and long term want to put a power adder on the car, use parts that will work for both applications so you aren't buying twice or three times. Examples would be:

Exhaust
Suspension
Driveline
Tires/wheels
Electronics
Oil pump gears
Damper
etc....

Build the foundation first then whatever you decide to do down the road will compliment it.

Excellent advise. I would think the main difference would be piston choices for different compression for an NA and boosted application though.

-Alex