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06-26-2014, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DirtyD
Are we talking the actual block or the internals? The internals are the weak spot that I have seen.
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Both are weak really. Well, I mean that relatively. Don't get me wrong, it's a great high winding lil motor. I just mean that it's not the best choice if you're wanting to make big power. If you're happy with 550rw or less for a toy, then a stock motor'd 5.0 is fine. But, if you're wanting to go fast, a motor build is in your future with a sleeved block at the minimum. Hopefully at some point someone makes an aftermarket block that is able to handle big power because what is out there now is still breaking the same way factory blocks are.
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06-26-2014, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Grandpa
Both are weak really. Well, I mean that relatively. Don't get me wrong, it's a great high winding lil motor. I just mean that it's not the best choice if you're wanting to make big power. If you're happy with 550rw or less for a toy, then a stock motor'd 5.0 is fine. But, if you're wanting to go fast, a motor build is in your future with a sleeved block at the minimum. Hopefully at some point someone makes an aftermarket block that is able to handle big power because what is out there now is still breaking the same way factory blocks are.
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I guess I haven't really seen to block failures, just when people throw a rod, melt or shatter a piston. I completely agree with it eventually being on borrowed time, but I guess it seems you are exaggerating (from my view point) that time period to be rather quick, when in fact people have been running those high horsepower (500-600) applications for years now. VMP with their Boss, for example. 7xx whp and it's been through multiple track days in Texas and Florida heat.
I know the only true aftermarket option out there for a "high" power motor is MMR's Promod block, of which some people are still skeptical of their stuff sometimes. But it's been filled, sleeved, and decked completely, so I'd hope it holds. lol
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06-26-2014, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DirtyD
I guess I haven't really seen to block failures, just when people throw a rod, melt or shatter a piston. I completely agree with it eventually being on borrowed time, but I guess it seems you are exaggerating (from my view point) that time period to be rather quick, when in fact people have been running those high horsepower (500-600) applications for years now. VMP with their Boss, for example. 7xx whp and it's been through multiple track days in Texas and Florida heat.
I know the only true aftermarket option out there for a "high" power motor is MMR's Promod block, of which some people are still skeptical of their stuff sometimes. But it's been filled, sleeved, and decked completely, so I'd hope it holds. lol
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I'm not exaggerating. I guess in your world, if you don't see it, it doesn't happen? I've seen several failures, but then again I'm around a lot of cars making real power and you're not.
Your viewpoint comes from a slow stock car, you don't race, never had a fast car and take everything you read online as facts. Before you do your usual kneejerk sensitive reaction, that's not a dig at you, just the facts. Get out and do some racing, you will see the failures happening. Most people only post the positives online to brag, but the failures rarely make it because of all the bashing that takes place. Failures happen, it's part of racing. Not a big deal.
Again, just because a car "can" make 600-700rw, doesn't mean it's going to last. Any Coyote out there making 550rw+, especially in power adder applications, are on borrowed time. Hell, that's normal tactic of some companies out there - turn it up for one Hail Mary dyno pull, make a number, inflate and tell everyone some stupid outrageous claim. "1000hp on stock motor!!" LOL, I'm sure it did...but not very many times and/or very long. hahaha.
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06-26-2014, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Grandpa
Again, just because a car "can" make 600-700rw, doesn't mean it's going to last. Any Coyote out there making 550rw+, especially in power adder applications, are on borrowed time. Hell, that's normal tactic of some companies out there - turn it up for one Hail Mary dyno pull, make a number, inflate and tell everyone some stupid outrageous claim. "1000hp on stock motor!!" LOL, I'm sure it did...but not very many times and/or very long. hahaha.
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Sounds like the Ford guys quotes when the GT 500 came out. Something to the effect that making the power is easy, making it last is hard.
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