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blownaltered · 12-19-2012, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Courtesy Flush

If its illegal, people will do it. No matter the consequences. That's the nature of people.
IMO the laws and punishments are set to accommodate a wide variety of people. Those who abuse drinking and driving obviously will face harsher punishment depending on prior offenses, but what about those that learn from it and change their lifestyle?
EDIT
To be be clear, im speaking on the DWI charges alone and leaving the manslaughter charge alone as i think that's a separate charge altogether anyhow.

That's my point smash someone's life for a first offense. Second yeah that's different you should have learned your lesson. But Steve and his 30 days in jail for the first offense is ridiculous. People would lose their jobs and maybe homes. That's why they will never make the law like that.

**Grandpa** · 12-19-2012, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by blownaltered

That's my point smash someone's life for a first offense. Second yeah that's different you should have learned your lesson. But Steve and his 30 days in jail for the first offense is ridiculous. People would lose their jobs and maybe homes. That's why they will never make the law like that.

Sometimes in order to get people's attention, you have to do more than tap them on the shoulder. Some people need a sledgehammer over the head. It's your opinion that 30 days is ridicuous. In my opinion it would work because it's so severe it would make a lot of people think twice about doing it. The "ridiculous" is what would make it work.

blownaltered · 12-19-2012, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Steve

Sometimes in order to get people's attention, you have to do more than tap them on the shoulder. Some people need a sledgehammer over the head. It's your opinion that 30 days is ridicuous. In my opinion it would work because it's so severe it would make a lot of people think twice about doing it. The "ridiculous" is what would make it work.

So you want to punish drunk drivers worse than most violent crimes. Can we do texting and driving the same way. If we are going to throw the book at one you have to do it to everybody. I don't think people should lose everything for a first offense, that's where I think you crazy

**Grandpa** · 12-19-2012, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by blownaltered

So you want to punish drunk drivers worse than most violent crimes. Can we do texting and driving the same way. If we are going to throw the book at one you have to do it to everybody. I don't think people should lose everything for a first offense, that's where I think you crazy

I'm not talking about violent crimes or texting. We're talking about DWI here. Yes, they need to be severely punished. I know you like to go out and have some drinks, don't take my opinion personally.

blownaltered · 12-19-2012, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by Steve

I'm not talking about violent crimes or texting. We're talking about DWI here. Yes, they need to be severely punished. I know you like to go out and have some drinks, don't take my opinion personally.

Not taking personally. I just feel you are being a little out of whack on this one. Punishment should be equal with the crime and for a first time dwi that is above the crime. That is something they would give for felony not a mr meaner ( if you don't get that then you won't get it ). In my opinion if you made the bars more liable for letting their patrons leave wasted then there would be a lot less drunk drivers.

**Grandpa** · 12-19-2012, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by blownaltered

Not taking personally. I just feel you are being a little out of whack on this one. Punishment should be equal with the crime and for a first time dwi that is above the crime. That is something they would give for felony not a mr meaner ( if you don't get that then you won't get it ). In my opinion if you made the bars more liable for letting their patrons leave wasted then there would be a lot less drunk drivers.

Its not up to the establishments to police their patrons. They are in busuness to make money. People should be accountable for their own actions and control the amount of consumption. If they fail to do so they should punished accordingly.

blownaltered · 12-19-2012, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by Steve

Its not up to the establishments to police their patrons. They are in busuness to make money. People should be accountable for their own actions and control the amount of consumption. If they fail to do so they should punished accordingly.

Correct accordingly not some ridiculous plan you have to bankrupt somebody for having one to many. It's nice to see you on top of your hill looking down on people, since you have never done anything to break the law.

**Courtesy Flush** · 12-19-2012, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by blownaltered

That's my point smash someone's life for a first offense. Second yeah that's different you should have learned your lesson. But Steve and his 30 days in jail for the first offense is ridiculous. People would lose their jobs and maybe homes. That's why they will never make the law like that.

Having never had a DWI or DUI i don't have a dog in this fight, but i see both points.

blownaltered · 12-19-2012, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Courtesy Flush

Having never had a DWI or DUI i don't have a dog in this fight, but i see both points.

I never have either