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blownaltered 07-11-2013 09:14 PM

Trying to decide on future motor build
 
Alright this isn't anything I'm doing right now but once I make my decision I will start piecing it together. I plan on staying supercharged since my head unit will go as far as I ever plan on taking it. So here is what I'm trying to decide on.

Do I want to stay 302 based since all my accessories will work with it. Go with a 331 or 363 port my heads, intake and raise the boost a little.

Or

Go 351 based with either a 408 or a 427. In this case I would need different heads, intake, headers but I would make more power on less boost and more torque. I can always sell my old setup to make up for the cost of the new heads and intake.

Opinions are welcome. I'm just undecided and keep going back and forth on this. I want to start buying parts here in the next couple months. It will not be a fast build since I'm in no big hurry.

downtime! 07-11-2013 10:58 PM

Boost technology has come to a point where the big inch Windsors aren't really needed, unless you're looking for the baddest of the bad. My favorite combo has always been the 331 (more favorable rod angle), and built right, with a little boost, would be all I would ever need in a lightweight Fox.

And on that note, I need a Fox I can modify, damn it! I love my '82, but it's entirely too original to start cutting up.

Toby 07-11-2013 11:05 PM

I would go the 351 route since the factory block is stronger. Assuming you are not going to buy a dart block. But if you are then hands down go with a 347 ci 3.25 stroke 4.125 bore.

Grandpa 07-12-2013 12:03 AM

Dart blocked 363 with a Brooks kit. If you're going to do it, go big.

blownaltered 07-12-2013 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Toby (Post 40098)
I would go the 351 route since the factory block is stronger. Assuming you are not going to buy a dart block. But if you are then hands down go with a 347 ci 3.25 stroke 4.125 bore.

I wouldn't build either without a Dart block, I'm not dropping the coin on a forged internals without a strong block. Don't want to have to do it again later if I turn it up.

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Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 40103)
Dart blocked 363 with a Brooks kit. If you're going to do it, go big.

I have been thinking about that as well. But I already have a good blower. Might build it and run the supercharger for a while then drop the coin on a nice single setup.

Toby 07-12-2013 01:25 PM

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blownaltered 07-12-2013 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Toby (Post 40138)

I wish I just know what I want. This is something I am going to start piecing together over a year or two honestly. I just want to figure out exactly what I'm doing and then I will start buying parts. The biggest expense is going to be the block. Some things I will find used like a bigger intake and bigger heads. Once I do the build I will sell all my old stuff to recover some of the money.

Junkie 07-12-2013 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 40103)
Dart blocked 363 with a Brooks kit. If you're going to do it, go big.

Is he using a factory 302 block, R block, Dart block?

If you already have a good aftermarket or R block, then its hard to justify the swap to a 351 based motor. If starting from scratch there is ZERO reason other than class racing to stay 302 based.

If you have a good block, I vote 363 with an 88mm minimum.

If you go 351 I vote 427+ci with twin billet 76's

Orrrrrrrr ERL 427, LS based, twin 7675s

blownaltered 07-12-2013 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Junkie (Post 40157)
Is he using a factory 302 block, R block, Dart block?

If you already have a good aftermarket or R block, then its hard to justify the swap to a 351 based motor. If starting from scratch there is ZERO reason other than class racing to stay 302 based.

If you have a good block, I vote 363 with an 88mm minimum.

If you go 351 I vote 427+ci with twin billet 76's

Orrrrrrrr ERL 427, LS based, twin 7675s

Don't currently have a dart block, that's why I'm having the debate. I am starting from scratch.

Junkie 07-12-2013 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by blownaltered (Post 40161)
Don't currently have a dart block, that's why I'm having the debate. I am starting from scratch.

Then go 351 based without a doubt

Grandpa 07-12-2013 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Junkie (Post 40157)
Orrrrrrrr ERL 427, LS based, twin 7675s

I'm all about that. I think that would be SICK!

blownaltered 07-12-2013 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SlowGreyGT (Post 40166)
I'm all about that. I think that would be SICK!

I'm sticking with a ford motor. Not jumping ship, it's not that I don't like ls motors I just want it to be a ford.

STROKD 07-12-2013 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by blownaltered (Post 40169)
I'm sticking with a ford motor. Not jumping ship, it's not that I don't like ls motors I just want it to be a ford.

Good man. One of the fastest cars in Dallas has a little Ford motor in it, so don't be worried.

I'd do a 427-454 stroker 9.5 decked Dart. You will want new heads and intake manifold with any sized motor you go with.

FYI, besides the headers/and a/c bracket (you already have a cowl hood), its $100 bucks more to build a 9.5 vs a 8.2 (what my dad was quoted)... All things equal is about 80-100rw difference. (454 vs 363 for instance), not to mention the monster torque differences.

Junkie 07-12-2013 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by STROKD (Post 40173)
Good man. One of the fastest cars in Dallas has a little Ford motor in it, so don't be worried.

I'd do a 427-454 stroker 9.5 decked Dart. You will want new heads and intake manifold with any sized motor you go with.

FYI, besides the headers/and a/c bracket (you already have a cowl hood), its $100 bucks more to build a 9.5 vs a 8.2 (what my dad was quoted)... All things equal is about 80-100rw difference. (454 vs 363 for instance), not to mention the monster torque differences.

Who are you referring to? Also we both know building new, a SBF is 2x if not more then a chevy....

blownaltered 07-12-2013 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Junkie (Post 40174)
Who are you referring to? Also we both know building new, a SBF is 2x if not more then a chevy....

He was talking to me. I know Chevy motors are cheaper to build but that's not what I want. I've built a blown 408 in a sportsman block years ago so I know they can be expensive but it the way I'm going. Also why I'm taking my time. My wife is going back to school so I can't just fork over the money at one time like I would like to. I'm going to get a plan figured out and start buying parts. That way when I get all the parts I can get it started


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