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03MachMe 08-19-2013 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Fair (Post 46126)
They are made to work with the stock top mounts as well - we just package them with springs + camber plates and pre-assemble it all. We can sell them without the plates or springs, too.

awesome! I will be contacting yall for just the shocks/ struts soon. are they adjustable?

DirtyD 08-19-2013 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 03MachMe (Post 46127)
awesome! I will be contacting yall for just the shocks/ struts soon. are they adjustable?

based on the hole in the top of the piston and the size of the piston shaft compared to the stock strut, I think they are.

modernbeat 08-19-2013 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 03MachMe (Post 46127)
awesome! I will be contacting yall for just the shocks/ struts soon. are they adjustable?

No, but because they use a large piston in a monotube construction they don't have to be adjustable to offer the same (or better) performance as an entry level adjustable.

Kaane 08-19-2013 08:53 PM

Fair any reason you don't like KW?

03MachMe 08-19-2013 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by modernbeat (Post 46132)
No, but because they use a large piston in a monotube construction they don't have to be adjustable to offer the same (or better) performance as an entry level adjustable.

ah I know you guys know your stuff so I'll trust you on this one.

DirtyD 08-20-2013 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by modernbeat (Post 46132)
No, but because they use a large piston in a monotube construction they don't have to be adjustable to offer the same (or better) performance as an entry level adjustable.

Are those the bilstien pro series or something like that in which there is a self valving disk of some sort inside that controls the rebound and dampening pretty much by itself?

modernbeat 08-20-2013 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaane (Post 46195)
Fair any reason you don't like KW?

The commonly available KW V-series and ST-series are twin tube dampers with fairly small pistons. That's the issue with the KW series.

modernbeat 08-20-2013 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyD (Post 46220)
Are those the bilstien pro series or something like that in which there is a self valving disk of some sort inside that controls the rebound and dampening pretty much by itself?

No, you might be thinking of the Koni FSD, another crutch for a twin tube to make them work on the street while providing some performance.

The large body Bilsteins are a simple damper. There are no gimmicks. Their performance comes from having a large diameter piston. By using a large piston there is a large amount of flow through the piston at very low suspension speeds. That large amount of flow allows a normal shim stack (valving) to have both a finer and greater effect on the damping force. We can build a great digressive curve that builds force very quickly with a very flat blowoff past the knee by using a large piston. When using a small piston, like most twin tubes, we can either build force quickly, or blow it off cleanly, but not both.

This simple construction also contributes to the longevity of the damper. Fewer moving parts that have to be built to extreme tolerances, and more robust seals will help any damper last longer.

DirtyD 08-20-2013 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by modernbeat (Post 46266)
No, you might be thinking of the Koni FSD, another crutch for a twin tube to make them work on the street while providing some performance.

The large body Bilsteins are a simple damper. There are no gimmicks. Their performance comes from having a large diameter piston. By using a large piston there is a large amount of flow through the piston at very low suspension speeds. That large amount of flow allows a normal shim stack (valving) to have both a finer and greater effect on the damping force. We can build a great digressive curve that builds force very quickly with a very flat blowoff past the knee by using a large piston. When using a small piston, like most twin tubes, we can either build force quickly, or blow it off cleanly, but not both.

This simple construction also contributes to the longevity of the damper. Fewer moving parts that have to be built to extreme tolerances, and more robust seals will help any damper last longer.

Man, talk about knowing your stuff. :bowdown:

I'm prepared for the worst, but can I ask you opinion on the Tokico D-Specs for a simple street/DD application with the possibility of AutoX in the future?

modernbeat 08-20-2013 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyD (Post 46268)
Man, talk about knowing your stuff. :bowdown:

I'm prepared for the worst, but can I ask you opinion on the Tokico D-Specs for a simple street/DD application with the possibility of AutoX in the future?

I haven't worked with them on the S197, but in my experience with them on Subarus I'd only put them on a car I didn't care about. Again, they are twin tubes and they don't have the best longevity.

DirtyD 08-20-2013 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by modernbeat (Post 46272)
I haven't worked with them on the S197, but in my experience with them on Subarus I'd only put them on a car I didn't care about. Again, they are twin tubes and they don't have the best longevity.

Fair enough. The long term plan is for a setup like y'all have with the Bilstiens or go with coilovers...but I needed something besides the stock struts on my BMR springs to give me a little better ride and some adjustability when I'd like it.

I have a lot of learning to do about suspension stuff...which I'm sure will take years.


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