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GTRacerX 06-12-2013 06:25 PM

500 n/a rwhp
 
What would it take to get a 2011-2014 5.0 to 500 rwhp naturally aspirated? Would it cost the same to just slap a blower or Turbo kit on there with a good tune? Also on a separate note does anyone make good cylinder heads for our motors yet?

Zeek 06-12-2013 06:30 PM

JPC has a 500hp N/A kit. Its like 3k

Grandpa 06-12-2013 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeek (Post 34368)
JPC has a 500hp N/A kit. Its like 3k

LMAO! Oh boy, here we go. :hidesbehindsofa:

re-rx7 06-12-2013 06:32 PM

I thought about it but decided on spray and boltons.

Grandpa 06-12-2013 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTRacerX (Post 34366)
What would it take to get a 2011-2014 5.0 to 500 rwhp naturally aspirated? Would it cost the same to just slap a blower or Turbo kit on there with a good tune? Also on a separate note does anyone make good cylinder heads for our motors yet?

Save yourself the headache and just get a blower. You will make well over 500rw without a problem and more cost effective manner.

Zeek 06-12-2013 06:33 PM

Nvm $6200 http://www.jpcracing.com/top-dogjpc-...500hp-package/

Grandpa 06-12-2013 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeek (Post 34374)

Jeff has this package from JPC. You can ask him his opinion of it.

For $4650 you can make well over 600rw with a Paxton from Beefcake.

GTRacerX 06-12-2013 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeek (Post 34374)

Yea I looked at that so figured what's the point I can get nitrous/blower/single turbo kit about that price

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve (Post 34376)
Jeff has this package from JPC. You can ask him his opinion of it.

For $4650 you can make well over 600rw with a Paxton from Beefcake.

Yea as cool as it sounds to be able to tell someone you make 500+rwhp naturally aspirated still kinda pointless if you can just slap a power adder on there and make the same or more. Want a Twin Turbo kit but don't feel like dropping $8,500+ on the kit. If you wanna play you gotta pay I guess lol.

JDMLOL 06-12-2013 09:34 PM

It's funny how the cost of each additional horsepower goes up exponentially after a certain point.

merlinmol 06-12-2013 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTRacerX (Post 34378)
Yea as cool as it sounds to be able to tell someone you make 500+rwhp naturally aspirated still kinda pointless if you can just slap a power adder on there and make the same or more.

Sounds like we all just need to get a z06/heads/cam/tune and call it a day for 500rwhp... Guess I need to sell the mustang :yaoface2:

Grandpa 06-12-2013 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by merlinmol (Post 34407)
Sounds like we all just need to get a z06/heads/cam/tune and call it a day for 500rwhp... Guess I need to sell the mustang :yaoface2:

Now you're making sense! :D

GTOphil 06-12-2013 10:21 PM

Under $5k for a blower setup??

Where?

Midnight11 06-12-2013 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GTOphil (Post 34414)
Under $5k for a blower setup??

Where?

paxton kit
id1000s
bap

beefcake racing, pretty sure its 4615.... not that im saving or anything lol :D

GTOphil 06-12-2013 10:27 PM

Hmm...interesting. I was planning $5500 for the pro charger p1sc kit.

Midnight11 06-12-2013 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GTOphil (Post 34418)
Hmm...interesting. I was planning $5500 for the pro charger p1sc kit.

paxton ftw

BLK2012GT 06-13-2013 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve (Post 34376)
Jeff has this package from JPC. You can ask him his opinion of it.

For $4650 you can make well over 600rw with a Paxton from Beefcake.

Dude why do you keep telling people what I don't have. I don't have the jpc kit.

Grandpa 06-13-2013 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by GTOphil (Post 34418)
Hmm...interesting. I was planning $5500 for the pro charger p1sc kit.

The Paxton 2200 is a FAR superior unit over the Procharger units, especially the P1SC which is absolute garbage in my opinion. The Paxton is capable of flowing well over enough to make a 1000hp+ to where the P1SC is running out of steam at 550. For some odd reason, Prochargers also have more parasitic loss than any other blower out there, meaning they take more horsepower to turn than any other blower. They also tend to have MAF reading issues on these cars.

Customer service and replacement parts are far more readily available at Paxton as well. Hands down Paxton over a Procharger.

Toby 06-13-2013 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve (Post 34376)
Jeff has this package from JPC. You can ask him his opinion of it.

This could not be farther from the truth. Not a single part on jeffs build is from jpc. There is not even a single part the same as what jpc uses. jeffs car would make much more power, but it is setup with the intention of using nitrous. We could have made a few changes to make over 500 rwhp n/a but it would not have been safe to spray the nitrous. Also on another note, we dynoed a car recently that had wheels similar to jeffs wheels. The car made 408 rwhp, we put a set of stock wheels and tires we had at the shop on the rear, and the car made 428 rwhp with NOTHING else changed!!! Just goes to show how much "power" you lose with heavy wheels and tires, hince the variation in ''dyno'' numbers you will see.


Jeffs car is a beast for what it is, anyone that disagrees, has no idea what they are talking about. 479 hp to the tires with approx 20% power loss to the tires put him around 574 hp to the flywheel. That is 1.824 hp per ci. That is a huge amount of power I don't care what anyone says!!!

Grandpa 06-13-2013 12:56 AM

Good lord. Jeff obviously forgot the conversation/joke we had at the dyno day. Completely over your heads. lol.

Midnight11 06-13-2013 12:58 AM

He is testy from his flight today

Grandpa 06-13-2013 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Midnight11 (Post 34434)
He is testy from his flight today

He always seems to be testy and grumpy lately. :shrug:

downtime! 06-13-2013 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Toby (Post 34431)
with approx 20% power loss to the tires

This is the number that actually scares me on my car. Add that 20% back in and I'm at 745-750 at the crank. I like to call that the danger zone with stock rods! LOL!

Zeek 06-13-2013 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by downtime! (Post 34443)
This is the number that actually scares me on my car. Add that 20% back in and I'm at 745-750 at the crank. I like to call that the danger zone with stock rods! LOL!

You will be ok as long as you don't detonate. Should be on E-85 IMO or start spraying meth.

Toby 06-13-2013 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by downtime! (Post 34443)
This is the number that actually scares me on my car. Add that 20% back in and I'm at 745-750 at the crank. I like to call that the danger zone with stock rods! LOL!

As long as the tune is good, and you keep the rpms reasonable, you will be fine.

downtime! 06-13-2013 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Toby (Post 34447)
As long as the tune is good, and you keep the rpms reasonable, you will be fine.

The tune is good, and I don't rev it too high, except at the track (cross the line at 7200-7300 in 4th). Probably taking her apart anyway, so it's all good. Wanting a hot rod 3V again.

46Tbird 06-13-2013 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve (Post 34376)
Jeff has this package from JPC. You can ask him his opinion of it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BLK2012GT (Post 34428)
Dude why do you keep telling people what I don't have. I don't have the jpc kit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve (Post 34436)
He always seems to be testy and grumpy lately. :shrug:

Well, you talk shit to him all the time. And then tell everyone he has something that he doesn't. You really wonder why he would be 'testy' about that?

Bearded Banger 06-13-2013 11:14 AM

500 n/a rwhp
 
^ yet I'm called the forum troll

Grandpa 06-13-2013 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 46Tbird (Post 34455)
Well, you talk shit to him all the time. And then tell everyone he has something that he doesn't. You really wonder why he would be 'testy' about that?

You're talking about something you have no clue about.You're speaking out of turn on something you're taking at face value from board nonsense. Mind your own business, Danny.

Grandpa 06-13-2013 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearded Banger (Post 34456)
^ yet I'm called the forum troll

:happy175:

Courtesy Flush 06-13-2013 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve (Post 34457)
You're talking about something you have no clue about.You're speaking out of turn on something you're taking at face value from board nonsense. Mind your own business, Danny.

who's the testy one again? ahaha

46Tbird 06-13-2013 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve (Post 34457)
You're talking about something you have no clue about.You're speaking out of turn on something you're taking at face value from board nonsense. Mind your own business, Danny.

You always seem to be testy and grumpy lately. :shrug:

Grandpa 06-13-2013 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 46Tbird (Post 34460)
You always seem to be testy and grumpy lately. :shrug:

DFWM must be slow if you are trolling over here. lol

BLK2012GT 06-13-2013 11:51 AM

It's too early for me to get into detail of my car in this thread.

DirtyD 06-13-2013 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BLK2012GT (Post 34462)
It's too early for me to get into detail of my car in this thread.

Go have a beer, bowl a few frames, then get back to us. LOL

Grandpa 06-13-2013 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyD (Post 34463)
Go have a beer, bowl a few frames, then get back to us. LOL

Jeff is a hack cranker who can't get it done without stripped backends.





lmao. I bet Jeff is the only other person who gets it.

DirtyD 06-13-2013 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve (Post 34464)
Jeff is a hack cranker who can't get it done without stripped backends.





lmao. I bet Jeff is the only other person who gets it.

I know that's some sort of bowling talk, but it sounds dirty. Haha

BLK2012GT 06-13-2013 12:01 PM

That's pretty much the shot out here at Nationals. It's 41 feet with dry back ends and then single and doubles is 39 feet long. Talk about a lot of over/under out here. But I haven't bowled yet that's just what I've seen so far.

Grandpa 06-13-2013 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BLK2012GT (Post 34466)
That's pretty much the shot out here at Nationals. It's 41 feet with dry back ends and then single and doubles is 39 feet long. Talk about a lot of over/under out here. But I haven't bowled yet that's just what I've seen so far.

Until you get all the hacks trying to play deep tearing up the heads creating a spotty reverse block. By the end of the set you'll find yourself standing all the way left pitching it over the ditch just to find a spot. I hated Nationals because of that shit. Having to play that deep I always end up hanging the corners. Hopefully you can cash decently and make some up for it in the brackets.

BLK2012GT 06-13-2013 12:08 PM

Well enough with the bowling talk. Lets get back to car stuff.

re-rx7 06-13-2013 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby (Post 34431)
This could not be farther from the truth. Not a single part on jeffs build is from jpc. There is not even a single part the same as what jpc uses. jeffs car would make much more power, but it is setup with the intention of using nitrous. We could have made a few changes to make over 500 rwhp n/a but it would not have been safe to spray the nitrous. Also on another note, we dynoed a car recently that had wheels similar to jeffs wheels. The car made 408 rwhp, we put a set of stock wheels and tires we had at the shop on the rear, and the car made 428 rwhp with NOTHING else changed!!! Just goes to show how much "power" you lose with heavy wheels and tires, hince the variation in ''dyno'' numbers you will see.


Jeffs car is a beast for what it is, anyone that disagrees, has no idea what they are talking about. 479 hp to the tires with approx 20% power loss to the tires put him around 574 hp to the flywheel. That is 1.824 hp per ci. That is a huge amount of power I don't care what anyone says!!!

Great post about wheel weight and how they affect the car. That why I'm tryna stay stock 18's or at least stock weight


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