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El_Tortuga 08-09-2013 03:02 PM

5w50-ouch
 
Picked the oil for first oil change. Track pack = 5w50 =$10/qt.

Yikes!!!

re-rx7 08-09-2013 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by El_Tortuga (Post 43897)
Picked the oil for first oil change. Track pack = 5w50 =$10/qt.

Yikes!!!

why 5w50? Brand?

Mrjeremyt 08-09-2013 03:48 PM

10 bucks a quart is nothing... lol

kn7671 08-09-2013 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by re-rx7 (Post 43898)
why 5w50? Brand?

5w50 is the standard weight in the Track Pack cars, just like the Boss models.

Don't know what brand or where you bought, but if you did it yourself, you could have spent 10-minutes searching Walmart, and other local part stores and found a better price.

Oxford14Stang 08-09-2013 07:30 PM

wtf??? This is going to sound dumb, are you sure?

rriddle3 08-09-2013 08:18 PM

It's what the owner's manual specifies for the 2014 GT w/Track Pack.

El_Tortuga 08-09-2013 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kn7671 (Post 43930)
5w50 is the standard weight in the Track Pack cars, just like the Boss models.

Don't know what brand or where you bought, but if you did it yourself, you could have spent 10-minutes searching Walmart, and other local part stores and found a better price.

Guess again. Spent a hell of lot more time researching than that.

Did not find it on the shelf anywhere else. Can find Motorcraft online, but very close to the same price, so I picked it up at the local ford dealer.

Not many choices for full syn 5w50, even less that meet the spec. Castrol makes one that is the cheapest, but doesn't meet the spec. Redline makes one and meets the spec, but is even more expensive. Mobil one cost is similar but doesn't meet the spec. Royal purple doesn't show as making it. Maybe amsoil, but that ain't going to be cheap either.

Not many cars spec 5w50. E.g. GT500, BOSS, track pack, and Lexus LFA.

DirtyD 08-10-2013 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by El_Tortuga (Post 43947)
Guess again. Spent a hell of lot more time researching than that.

Did not find it on the shelf anywhere else. Can find Motorcraft online, but very close to the same price, so I picked it up at the local ford dealer.

Not many choices for full syn 5w50, even less that meet the spec. Castrol makes one that is the cheapest, but doesn't meet the spec. Redline makes one and meets the spec, but is even more expensive. Mobil one cost is similar but doesn't meet the spec. Royal purple doesn't show as making it. Maybe amsoil, but that ain't going to be cheap either.

Not many cars spec 5w50. E.g. GT500, BOSS, track pack, and Lexus LFA.

Even for track use I think many people have said that 5w50 is overkill.

Mrjeremyt 08-10-2013 12:35 AM

The 5w50 is great... for a racecar, not a daily. That weight is only used in cars that are thrashed on a daily basis. Its a race oil plain in simple. It might sound cool, but without a built motor, or excessively high cylinder head temp its really pointless. Might at well put some good old Rotella T 15w40 in there.

merlinmol 08-10-2013 04:31 AM

I have a 13 Track Pack that calls for 5w50... I just run RP 5w30 HPS or XPR, then again im heavily modded, don't want to use those if you are keeping warranty.

Sieran 08-10-2013 09:59 AM

You made me second guess what the dealer put in when i was last there... sure enough 5w20. Should have looked more closely at the damn service ticket before i left.

I don't care if it is only for "track use", i want what the damn engine calls for put in, specially when i paid for a maintenance plan.

Dan12GT 08-10-2013 11:19 AM

I'm running Amsoild 10w30 love it. 7k miles on the oil so far. I will be doing an analysis at 10k

El_Tortuga 08-10-2013 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sieran (Post 43981)
You made me second guess what the dealer put in when i was last there... sure enough 5w20. Should have looked more closely at the damn service ticket before i left.

I don't care if it is only for "track use", i want what the damn engine calls for put in, specially when i paid for a maintenance plan.

Bingo!!!

El_Tortuga 08-10-2013 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by merlinmol (Post 43963)
I have a 13 Track Pack that calls for 5w50... I just run RP 5w30 HPS or XPR, then again im heavily modded, don't want to use those if you are keeping warranty.

Keeping the engine bone stock to maintain full warranty. It will get tracked, and this is Texas so better to pay the piper now than risk any oil / heat issue at the track.

As an engineer myself, I'd be fairly certain a cost conscious company like Ford wouldn't call out such a high spec oil unless they truly saw the need. If it is only truly required for certain scenarios then so be it. So we know that the ECU
will dial back the engine if oil temp gets too high. What I don't know is if they move set point up in the track pack calibration to take advantage of the better heat resistance of the heavier full synthetic. I have been told that the regular GT (non BOSS) guys tend to run into heat limits at the track.

Paid good coin and special ordered to get the track pack, won't cheap out now.

re-rx7 08-10-2013 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by El_Tortuga (Post 44023)
It will get tracked, and this is Texas so better to pay the piper now than risk any oil / heat issue at the track.

.

SMH.......:banghead:

merlinmol 08-10-2013 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El_Tortuga (Post 44023)
Keeping the engine bone stock to maintain full warranty. It will get tracked, and this is Texas so better to pay the piper now than risk any oil / heat issue at the track.

As an engineer myself, I'd be fairly certain a cost conscious company like Ford wouldn't call out such a high spec oil unless they truly saw the need. If it is only truly required for certain scenarios then so be it. So we know that the ECU
will dial back the engine if oil temp gets too high. What I don't know is if they move set point up in the track pack calibration to take advantage of the better heat resistance of the heavier full synthetic. I have been told that the regular GT (non BOSS) guys tend to run into heat limits at the track.

Paid good coin and special ordered to get the track pack, won't cheap out now.

I can't blame you there, however, mine is modified. I need a better oil for racing, RP HPS is for modified street/race, and XPR is race, I don't race enough to justify the cost of running XPR all the time. However, those oils all have performance additives which will typically void warranty. Pretty sure I did that adding a supercharger and a custom tune.... :drool2:

re-rx7 08-10-2013 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by merlinmol (Post 44041)
I can't blame you there, however, mine is modified. I need a better oil for racing, RP HPS is for modified street/race, and XPR is race, I don't race enough to justify the cost of running XPR all the time. However, those oils all have performance additives which will typically void warranty. Pretty sure I did that adding a supercharger and a custom tune.... :drool2:

The best racing oil is the cheapest. Ask Toby. Valvoline VR1

merlinmol 08-10-2013 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by re-rx7 (Post 44044)
The best racing oil is the cheapest. Ask Toby. Valvoline VR1


Hmm, I just read this, be curious if anyone has actually done true testing on it. Almost everyone I see that races uses Amsoil, or RP's race oils.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-t...ht-it-was.html

re-rx7 08-10-2013 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by merlinmol (Post 44049)
Hmm, I just read this, be curious if anyone has actually done true testing on it. Almost everyone I see that races uses Amsoil, or RP's race oils.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-t...ht-it-was.html

Jeez.

http://store.forcedperformance.net/m...otor%20Oil.pdf

merlinmol 08-10-2013 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by re-rx7 (Post 44056)

I did more searching and found other stuff that gave different info. Some like the valvoline, others don't. Don't think we are going to find any articles that are spot on. This is the first mention I have ever seen that Valvoline VR1 is awesome, most people go Amsoil, or RP, and I have been happy so far.

Oxford14Stang 08-10-2013 08:03 PM

Base model 5.0 using 5W20 ....... FTW :signs6:

re-rx7 08-10-2013 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Oxford14Stang (Post 44106)
Base model 5.0 using 5W20 ....... FTW :signs6:

5w-20 pennzoil ultra here!

Dominic Toretto 08-12-2013 03:04 PM

So just so I understand this correctly. The exact same car/engine requires a completely different oil because it comes with better brakes, sway bars, and other handling upgrades?

-Alex

ochoblanco 08-12-2013 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto (Post 44419)
So just so I understand this correctly. The exact same car/engine requires a completely different oil because it comes with better brakes, sway bars, and other handling upgrades?

-Alex

It's the idea that the car will be tracked similar to the boss: heavily. Or at least it was built to be tracked heavily. I don't track mine much so I use Amsoil 10.40 Sig Series

re-rx7 08-14-2013 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dominic Toretto (Post 44419)
So just so I understand this correctly. The exact same car/engine requires a completely different oil because it comes with better brakes, sway bars, and other handling upgrades?

-Alex

It's a precaution because track condition are more severe.

JDMLOL 08-14-2013 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by re-rx7 (Post 44746)
It's a precaution because track condition are more severe.

Funny thing is, technically the warranty is void when you have an issue due to racing. Lol. Why should they care?

Dominic Toretto 08-15-2013 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by re-rx7 (Post 44746)
It's a precaution because track condition are more severe.

What about daily driving street conditions?

-Alex

BLK2012GT 08-15-2013 01:10 PM

Shit I use 20W50 amsoil.

Torsion 09-09-2013 11:51 PM

I got a little better pricing from the Frisco Ford dealer's parts department last time I bought 5w-50.

I'm track pack too, and I'm stickin' with Motorcraft.

Slowstang1_jgw 09-10-2013 10:59 AM

Oil Anlysis
 
For everday driving 5W20 is good, if you take it to the track/course or whatever a thicker wieght would be the choice.

If anyone wants a to take there oil anlysis to the next level let me know. On the weekend once a month (Drill for the USAFR) I can burn a JOAP of your oil sample.

We do this after every flight on the F-16 to give us info on the engine.

JDBishopArts 09-10-2013 11:50 AM

I'm running 5w20 Mobil 1. Always run Mobil 1 with no issues. On boosted and non boosted cars. I wanted to run Amsoil but I couldn't find a dealer that didnt' want an arm and a leg. I'll order it next time.

The track pack does require you run ford recommend oil to retain the warranty.

El_Tortuga 09-10-2013 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torsion (Post 49440)
I got a little better pricing from the Frisco Ford dealer's parts department last time I bought 5w-50.

I'm track pack too, and I'm stickin' with Motorcraft.

Thanks. I'll remember to check that on the next round.

El_Tortuga 04-17-2014 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by El_Tortuga (Post 49500)
Thanks. I'll remember to check that on the next round.

Should have remembered to check. I went down to 5-star in Carrollton yesterday and they've jacked the price up from $9.90/qt to $14.84/qt. Crazy!!! Bought it online for just under $10/qt.

TwoQuack 04-17-2014 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kn7671 (Post 43930)
5w50 is the standard weight in the Track Pack cars, just like the Boss models.

Same spec for the Aluminators and all Roush cars.

Toby 04-17-2014 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by re-rx7 (Post 44044)
The best racing oil is the cheapest. Ask Toby. Valvoline VR1

VR1 is junk plain and simple. Last engine I tore apart that was using VR1 had an 1/8 inch of sludge in the oil pan. I would not recommend that crap to anyone. Personally I like mobil 1 but have recently become a fan of amsoil. We are a dealer and regularly stock it at the shop with a few select filters.

Just my .02

Crimson600+HP 04-17-2014 09:15 PM

If you heavy road track your car is it recommended to run 5w-50? Just curious, anything to help my overheating problems on the track. Currently run 5w-30.

El_Tortuga 04-17-2014 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crimson600+HP (Post 69805)
If you heavy road track your car is it recommended to run 5w-50? Just curious, anything to help my overheating problems on the track. Currently run 5w-30.

Doubt that it will help the overheat, but should help protect the engine at the high temps.

Crimson600+HP 04-17-2014 10:13 PM

Anything helps at this point. With the recent quote on my hail damage from USAA ($1k) I will be going to a collision place for a full quote. If they can cut me a better quote, I will just keep the cash as the damage is hard to see. Use that to fund maybe a new radiator and tiger racing hood. Trying my best to cool the engine down, so if the oil can help, I'm all for it.

garner 04-18-2014 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Crimson600+HP (Post 69822)
Anything helps at this point. With the recent quote on my hail damage from USAA ($1k) I will be going to a collision place for a full quote. If they can cut me a better quote, I will just keep the cash as the damage is hard to see. Use that to fund maybe a new radiator and tiger racing hood. Trying my best to cool the engine down, so if the oil can help, I'm all for it.

Paceline on veterans is really good(they've done the work on all my cars) but they're pricey. Might wanna see what caliber quotes, I've heard they're good too

Soulowd 04-18-2014 04:47 AM

I have track pack as well and I'm sticking with factory specs as well. There is a brand called Redline that a lot of ppl swear by but I've also heard there is a Mobil 1 in 5w50. I know for sure that there is no Royal Purple at that weight


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