Car and driver 2015 leak...
 

Cant tell if I like it or not. They say that the 5.0 will jump to 500hp after the initial launch...

I think I may take advantage of some of the good 2014 deals going on now if this is accurate. Wait until the first refresh of this.

I do find the article a little suspect though. Start with 420 hp and upgrade a few months into the model run? Do they want to piss off everyone who buys right away? ad an 80 hp bump? how much price bump will that get? This alone makes me not believe much in this article.

Love it

I'll keep my 12 for time being maybe get a 2021

I like. I'll wait to see the actual car before passing full judgment.

Eh, I think I can warm up to it.

I don't see a 80hp increase on the GT with the same engine. But if they do that would be hard to pass up.

I can see 50 being possible with DI.

80 more horsepower and 200 less pounds?




Just tell me where to sign.

This is how I feel as well.

I see 500 hp being a stretch for the GT though...that's putting the S550 on par with the C7 Vette right out of the box........

Wait wait wait... everyone said it would be 500lbs less:rondod:

Can't wait to tell everyone that seriously expected that much weight loss "I toldya so."

-Alex

I love it

I'd imagine that is what the guys who bought the 2010's had to deal with. They got the new bodystyle, but the old motor with the new 5.0 coming out less than a year later. The guys who got out of their 2010's took a serious hit because the value of their 10's absolutely tanked cuz no one wanted them.

Yeah it's nothing new but why Does Ford do that? Just pisses the Mustang cult following off.

Its still up in the air no sound proof of anything right now. What is funny though is that if the car only makes 460hp, it still makes more then the vette lol.

Well they do have a "2014.5" short production run, but I don't think they would up the power for the people that are getting the "anniversary" edition.

Clearly not the case considering Ford was selling them faster than they could make them with the release of the Coyote. I suspect the same will happen with the new car with the new body, suspension and gadgets. The Coyote still makes enough power for most people. You have to keep in mind, us car freaks are still the minority in Ford's sales because most people who buy Mustangs do not modify them at all. The more power they make from the factory, the less people tend to mod them motor wise.


As for comparing the new Mustang to a Corvette, it's apples to oranges still. The Mustang being a 2+2 passenger car versus the Corvette being a legitimate sports car with better weight balance and lighter weight. The Mustangs direct competitors are the Camaro and Challenger, not the Corvette.

Just like the 6.4 Challenger does. And it runs mid 11s just like the C7 right :)?

-Alex

Good point sir. I just commented about that on C&D. 2017 will be the year to upgrade after the power bumps and Cuda/Camaro releases. They won't be fooling me!!!

Did you stop to think about how much the challenger weighs? The mustang will probally weigh a few hundred lbs more not 900lbs like the challenger.Slowgrey is right. 2+2 vs 2 seater pretty much apple to oranges.

It will only be 100 to 200 lbs lighter. Those other numbers are exaggerations to build hype. Lets be realistic. Our cars can get 0-60 in 4.3 to 4.5s in perfect conditions. So a 450 HP, IRS, lighter Stang running with a base Vette (none Z51 package) is not far fetched by any means.

C7s are getting to 60 in the same time as current C6Zs. Sub 4 second range and are in the 11s bone stock on stock tires. I'm not saying the Mustang won't be faster, I'm positive it will. I just don't ever recall a Mustang GT ever being as fast as a base Corvette. The rendering of the car in that 360 view is very attractive though.

-Alex

Yes and that's my point. Horsepower alone doesn't determine acceleration :).

-Alex

This is what I was referring to about comparing the Mustang and the Corvette to one another. There is more to performance than just straight line acceleration which is NOT the Corvette's focus but rather all around performance. While the 0-60 might be close, as soon as a turn comes along the Mustang doesn't hold a candle to the Vette handling and top end performance.

The Mustang is a passenger car with a smaller motor, heavier weight, inferior weight distribution in comparison to a purpose built sports car like the Corvette. However, when you compare the Mustang to it's proper competitors like the Camaro and Challenger it dominates in every way. As I said, it's just not a fair comparison.

True. Either way, that new Mustang is very nice to look at, if those renderings of the 360 view are accurate. Hope it looks close to that image.

-Alex

I was just stating that if the Mustang does in fact shed 200-300 lbs, and has 450 (or more) hp, it would in fact be competition for the C7. Yes they are different cars, built for different purposes, but for them to still be on the same level (in terms of performance stand points) as the C7 is impressive to say the least. Because that leaves no room for GM to make the Camaro comparable, considering it would have to be on basically par with the Vette...

I'm more concerned about it's center of gravity more than weight. It needs to be 4 series low to hug the corners. I doubt they take it that far and S550 owners will be swapping out suspensions just like us S197 owners.

You don't get it....

Yes sir, that's what I'm praying for but it's a long shot. I doubt GM will allow an alpha platform SS Camaro = a base Vette in overall performance even if an S550 out performs it. That Camaro will have to be a new 1LE or something that includes a substantial price hike. Th next 2 to 3 yrs is going to be interesting. I would give my left pinky toe for Z51 a though.

Care to elaborate? What exactly do I not "get"?

Unless major philosphical changes have happened at ford then the mustang will NEVER be close to competion for the Vette.
Regardless of the irs and weight loss in the 2015 ford would still have to seriously upgrade the brakes for GT models(what 85% of can probably afford) and have a legitimate handling package option from the factory. Not some under sprung, crappy dampened bs like they did on the current brembo models. Think 1LE Camaro. I'll concede that in 0-120mph numbers the next mustang might be close to the c7. But in every other measure of a SPORTS car it'll fall short I'm afraid.

I'm hopping this type of package is released as a track package or something. Also none of the test mules had rear brembos....not good!

Never said the S500 was a sports car. Yes, it's comparing apples to oranges, but the next gen Mustang may likely end up being a very apple-like orange. It's going to be a 2+2 that is pushing the boundaries of the pony car/sports car line.

Your statement can still fall under the speculation category. We DON'T know what the brakes and suspension will be like on the S550 chassis until it is released, and people really get to compare it the the C7. So I guess both of us should withhold any further judgement on this car/platform until it's a physical car with physical, legitimate, concrete numbers behind it.

I agree with Adam here, you don't get it.

Meh. Speculation gives me shit do on a Monday.

What's new there? You act like my girlfriend does when it comes to discussions. Lol.

That's the truth.

LMAO. I can always count on you to give me a good laugh.

We had a fun "discussion" Saturday going down to Austin. Basically as soon as I replied to what she said, it went from "discussion" to, "you're wrong!"

Women...