Exactly. I never understood what the point of people bringing up the driver of a GTR. Like it matters. The car is as fast with a fetus in the driving seat as it is with the Stig.

-Alex

That's it!!! Now I want to see this

[Top Gear UK Music]

[Clarkson Voice]
Tonight on Top Gear...Can a Fetus beat the Stig?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbdhNc_36Kc

Listen Randy's comments about the Z/28 vs the Boss 302 Laguna Seca. His words not mine. Flame suit and hazmat suit on.

-Alex

In today's news. Gm stock fell 15%. Lol keep building shit.

More todays news...my GM is faster than your Ford and handles better too! =)

Your v out handles a 5.0 now. Wow wow wow. Maybe with a decent driver which I'm sure it doesn't. Lololol ;)

That's because of recall-gate or ignition-gate, whatever you want to call it.

GM fucked themselves.

You're uninformed if you think it doesn't..

Well letsgo to dkc. All karts are the same and see who sets the faster time.

I'm talking about the cars. I've never even been to DKC, dork. That's like me saying let's get together to grapple. lmao.

Well you were saying your driving skills were legit

Here you go.. how easy it is to race a gtr The proper way to race a GTR: http://youtu.be/TJmGkWRYWrk

Funny stuff, I'm sorry a 3,900 lbs track car?? And it does have a rear seat because it uses it as a brace, also because if they removed it it would be a 2 seater and compete with the vette... GM said nope. Lastly.. you forget this car is still GM (poor) engineering, when you design a car for plan for the future, you plan for what people will do to the car, you take into consideration repairs. .. GM does none of that, everyone here knows of the camaro heater core replacement debacle. We have all wrenched on our mustangs, most things seem thought out right? Replacement part prices are low, most mod parts bolt right up, the cai on this car is the easiest I've ever done. The front brembo brakes were designed to out brake the camaro while still being able to bolt on the most widely used drag rims on the back, compare trunk sizes and openings. Back to the z28, look what they had to do to make a car compete, instead of building a proper car they put tires on it that cost $600 each, before import cost, and with 6,000 tread life.. look at replacement cost for those brakes, and the suspension? Dear god that's expensive. . It was designed as a daily driver race car... for the very rich maybe.

Please quote where I said that. Oh, you cant..because I didnt.

Yup, just like the GTR is near two tons.

If the GTR removed the backseat, it would compete with the Vette and GM said nope? Uhhh, The Corvette has been aimed at and beating several cars with backseats lol like the Porsche 911.

Are you seriously suggesting that GM did a poor design on the car because of a failed heater core issue!? If that's the case, then explain the fuck up Ford did with the glass transmission in our Mustangs. People can't even drive a stock GT without having to worry about their manuals whining. Which would you rather pay for; a heater core or a transmission?

All cars have design flaws and crap that breaks.

I've put CAIs on plenty of cars. If this was easy compared to any other car then you were clearly having instructional issues. A CAI is easy period.

Now that's facetious. Any review I've read, heard and seen praises the brakes on a Camaro over the Mustang. The 1LE has better than the track pack and the ZL1 will consistently have better braking over a GT500 ALL day long.

Everyone on this board swaps out the stock tires for better tires, so what is your argument really? The car costs over $70k, if you can't afford $2,400 worth of tires for a car built for the track... you're doing it wrong.

The brakes will outlast the car. Why would you need to replace them?

Just because you can't afford it, doesn't mean you need to be rich to afford one. Don't use your personal agenda of not making enough money to afford this car to try to criticize it. Honestly, this stock Camaro is competing with cars a Mustang can't. And doing it for relatively cheap.

-Alex