I think he shifted like 8 times too. lol.

You sure about this? :Frustrated:

What shall we discuss? You talking 2200SL Vs D1? What are you interested in and what kind of power? We'll talk price differences later...GO!

procharger... all others :biggun:

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I disagree.

I like my Vortechs but that's for non mod motors... Id prob do a big KB on a 5.0 like Manny's car. Seems to run VERY well and not have any issues with it.

I just dont like Prochargers much, the fast ones are noisy as fuck, and the quiet ones are slow as fuck.

You mean other than that whole blowing up the motor thing, right? lol.


Bolting on a Vortech/Paxton on a 5.0 with exhaust and tune typically yields around 600rw/480tq which plenty for most normal car guys. Your perspective on what is "fast" is really skewed from most normal people because you had that kind of power back when it wasn't the normal. Think about it for a moment though, an almost stock 5.0 with a blower can make the power that Strokd'd did back in the day with stock like driving manners. That's pretty impressive if you ask me.

I'm not interested in having a big horsepower car like you. Look what its done for you, your car hasn't run in over 5 years and that sucks! All the big power cars rarely run right, run for very long or are broken more often than they run. I'll stick with my "slow" car that I can drive everyday having fun and enjoying my car rather than building some big power monster that you might eventually get to race for some lame ass bragging rights and wasting a shitload of money. You can keep that bullshit. lmao.

My experience, apples for apples I have seen prochargers make more power everywhere over all other centri blowers.

Should have been more specific on my last post, Prochargers > all other centri blowers. Look at all the really fast cars running blowers, all of them have prochargers. Many many cars running mid to low 4's in the 1/8 using prochargers.

Just my opinion.

There is a stock Coyote with a Boss intake and a PAXTON (lol!!) making 759/593 with ID1100s and a BAP. That's with pump gas on 12lbs.

http://s197forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=93157

It's probably a ticking time bomb like the rest of the 650+hp coyotes, but damn...

I like my D1 and it isn't loud. I have heard a few with the straight cut gears and to me it sounds like shit. The fan that came with the kit is louder than the blower.

Then Vortech/Paxton may be the kit for you. It's hands down the cheaper of the kits. But there is a reason for that of course.

Paxtons advertised hp numbers are typically at the crank and you pay extra for a proper CAI to gain an additional 20-30hp (example http://tiny.cc/1d0knw). Their intercooler is less efficient than Procharger as well. By roughly the 3rd pass, Charger to Paxton, the charger will be consistently quicker back-to-back. Paxtons brackets etc. are simple by design but difficult to install. Both manufacturers offer standard warranties but as far as upgraded warranties go....Procharger's warranty options are sick!


In the end, it all comes down to your interests (what you can & can't live with) goals, and ultimately....your budget.


I can't open that thread. Which blower is it?

Well, I'm open to the Procharger which is why I asked for the price. I'm just not interested in the P1SC headunit though just the D1 like on David's car. I looked at David's car and it looks and sounds good.

The blower Danny is referring to is the Paxton 2200. It's making over 1000rw on Beefcake's street car. It's an excellent option as a base bolt on blower that gives lots of room to grow.

I can't remember the last P1 kit we sold. The chump change it costs to upgrade to the D1 is always a no-brainer.

Yup. :poker:

Mine works great. Need to take the 410's out very violent on the street

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o.../201150pro.jpg

What did it make? Im trying to work out a deal on a stage 2 p1sc kit over on svt. I want over 600whp out of it...

So how do you know if you are over spinning a blower? I bought my P1
used and it came with the smaller pulley. The shop said it was fine so I didn't worry about it.

What size is your blower pulley? And I'm assuming it's the factory procharger crank pulley?

I believe the formula is. Lower pulley diameter/top pulley= X engine rpm= X step up ratio= blower rpm

The max is written on your blower along with the step up ratio. Engine rpm would be where you shift at or the max rpm you want to run. Hope this helps

Is this Clint? Doug from TFS here...

(Crank pulley size / Blower pulley size X step up ratio) X max rpm= impeller speed

Bold items are simply to separate the math

I'm assuming a lot here as I don't have all your specs. So your roughly 630whp? I'll also assume you've got headers & full exhaust?

P1SC-1's max impeller (max efficiency) speed is 65k. It should also be a 4.1 gear (step-up) ratio. Your blower pulley roughly a 3.60? And crank pulley a 7.5.

So [I](Crank pulley size / Blower pulley size x step up ratio) x max rpm= 61.5k impeller speed @ 7,200rpm. So your around 95% the max efficiency.

To see that kind of power on a P1 I'm guessing the car is around 12-14psi. What kind of psi are you seeing?

Ok lower pulley is the crank but hey the math was right. I wasn't thinking when I wrote lower

Hey what's the stock crank pulley on a fox. I think it's a 6" but can't remember.

Hey Doug. Yep it's me

To clarify; the crank pulley in this scenario is in reference to the crank...blower...pulley. In other words...the one that comes with the kit for installation. So, yes, the "lower" is still correct lol

I know which pulley is which. Just because I didn't write it out the way you would like doesn't make it wrong. I was also typing on a phone while taking a shit so give a fucker a break. :happy107:

So what is the stock size crank pulley on a fox or does a cripple have to measure when he gets home.

Lmao, I wasn't throwing punches. Just letting you know that you were indeed correct and can continue your shit unstressed! :dancingpoop: The "clarification" was meant for others general knowledge. Sorry to confuse.

As for the fox pulley....I'm uncertain. The others might know. I'll see what I can find out unless you beat me to it.

Lol I was just giving you shit. When I read it back after you did yours I knew it didn't make since. Yeah if you find out let me know. I think it is 6" but I can measure later if need be. I'm just trying to see where I'm at rpm wise myself.

The car has 1 7/8" JBA longtubes, H-pipe/ no cats, and axleback. I don't know what size the pulleys are. I will measure when I get home. It makes 10.5 psi. Car is stock other than exhaust and procharger.

I hope Donnie rips that limp wristed gingers arm off. :-D

I'm a lover not a fighter

Ok, so go fuck his arm off then. Thats even worse! Lol

:gasp:

I'm starting to think you just have a strange affinity towards my fantastic breed of humans.

I think he wants to see if the carpet matches the drapes. My advice is never put down your drink next to Steve. You might wake up a changed man.

Yes that is what size the pulleys are. Thanks for your help.

So the p1 is pretty much maxed out at 630ish? Fuck.

Feel lucky that number was achieved. The P1 an entry level head unit and I've seen it implode on itself at 440rw.

Thats enough of this implode talk. I won't be able to sleep at night worrying about it.

Haha, sorry. You can ask Blownaltered about his P1sc expierence. Once he stops swearing like a sailor from the anger of it, I'm sure you will understand.

:flame:
Definitely not a fan of the p1sc line from Procharger. Sad thing is I didn't even over spin it. There was still room left when it ate itself.