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Yeah cause we have a armbar tag. lol

Not hardly.

No DUI threads.

No FTP thread.

No angry preaching to choir religious/political threads.

No one has been beat up here on camera, but Jeff and Tim are both working on that one... lol. :favorites37:

Awww don't be mad Stevie:win:

Pipe down Sasquatch.

What happen to the tag?

I deleted it. Nick was suppose to turn them off, I guess he forgot. We don't want to encourage the trolls.

Noice!

Steve, I'm on the fence between KB and Hellion Twin right now. Having had both before, I LOVE the instatorque on the street. Makes the car feel like a big block! Price is a little more for the turbo, but since I'll be going with the tuner kits, it's only about $1k difference. I'm a little concerned about the oil pump gears as well and will probably have to figure that into my budget. Keeping my fingers crossed that our bonuses are good to me this year!

Having a tremendous amount of experience installing everything from small 2.1 kb's all the way up to the newest prototype 4.2l kb, from a basic bare bones non ic vortech to an f1 with huge custom a/a intercooler, and everything in between. I will say that hands down, speaking in terms of bolt on kits that are not custom built, a procharger is the easiest blower to install. I am yet to install a paxton on a new 5.0, but from what I have seen the paxton is the worst performing centri kit on the new 5.0. The biggest advantage to procharger, is the ability to easily upgrade later to a larger blower for a small amount of money. I have seen a new 5.0 make over 800 rwhp using a p1 with a small intercooler sprayer on a terrible air conditions day. One main advantage to a centri with a/a intercooling is the ability to perform back to back hits without the major heat soak and power loss as with twin screws or centri's with a/w intercoolers.

I would be willing to go out on a limb and say that at least half the cases of blowers coming apart or troubles with blowers, are the owners not changing the oil in the headunit. It is required to change the oil every 6k miles using only the recommended oil. IMO there is 0 excuses to over spin a blower. If you are at or near the limits of the blower impeller speed, upgrade to the next size blower or stick to the same power.

Turbos are another great power adder, but with that you run into problems with heat, and troubles sometimes finding a good location to route the pipes. Turbo kits are almost always the most difficult power adder to install. Having built simple bolt on kits all the way to full on custom twin 1000+ rwhp cars, personally I am not a turbo fan. For all out power and drag, it is a great power adder.

I hope this brings a little insight to the thread, and answers a few questions some of you may have!

Did you type that correctly - 800rw out of P1SC? On a mod motor?

Steve i took this picture today of one being installed P1sc stage 2 kit

Going on the rollers in the AM

Agian i wish i could afford one.

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o...procharged.jpg

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o.../201150pro.jpg

I laughed earlier in the thread at your comment wishing you could afford one because I know you can. Post up the numbers after you get your car dyno'd in the morning with that thing. :)

I'm poor steve.

Ahhh very nice.

Not hardly. lol.

compared to you im dirt poor buddy.

LOL, riiiight.

I may not be wealthy by monetary standards, but I've got an awesome wife, a beautiful little girl both whom are happy , healthy and that makes me the richest guy I know. :)

The money thing, lets just say we're working on it with something cool coming up. :)

Man, you guys must all be rich!

yes 800 rwhp, but keep in mind it had a nitrous spray bar intercooler sprayer.. iats were probably in the 30's-40's which net huge power numbers, and he was running c16.

That makes a bit more sense then and even then it's still a lil hard to believe. The P1SC at max flows 1200cfm with a max impellar speed of 65krpms. It just can't physically flow that much air in a efficient manner. It would have a thumbnail up top and a wagon wheel on bottom. No WAY will that puny P1SC live very long under those conditions, especially on a street car. Time bomb waiting to happen in my opinion.

Yes you are correct. He ended up killing cylinder 8 and had to sell the blower to pay for a new motor. Only had it at that level for maybe 100 miles. I believe he is selling the car now.

Who the fuck yall talkin about?

I don't know who he is specifically talking about. I'm talking about the the blowers themselves. Blowers should not be overspun on a every day street car because it will not survive long, especially the P1SC.

Mine runs good.

Oh fess up Jeremy! What'd it make?

I'll go blower years down the line. I still think my near stock car is fast! Good discussion though glad to see True Street chime in with some good information as well.

I can't argue with this. The f1a with the race blow off valve was ridiculously loud. Never bugged me in the car but I never heard it driving down the road from the outside until I sold it. You could here it from miles away it was stupid. Would not recommend an f1 for a street car. You will notice most guys that get them eventually sell them and go turbo. They want the power just not all the damn noise. If I had to do that car all over again it would have been a turbo car.

Welcome to the board Donnie. :)

Not to change the subject but is anybody on here running a nitrous setup yet?

Yup, Jeff is. It's slow. :win:

True story.

yup:win:

What size shot you running? Would it make Vin Diesel jealous...

He's got two bottles..two of the big ones and Clint, he needs them by tonight. :win:

Wait till you see what were doing now :favorites37:

You know, I never did recieve a price on a D1SC setup to compare to the Vortech/Paxton price. What does the Procharger cost?

Amateurs don't use Nitrous Oxide!

I sure hope I can do a 1/4 mile faster then they do in the first race of that movie. I think it took them a min to do a 1/4 mile and they were going 160 plus mph.