Lucille's dyno numbers

[Dark Pony]

I was hoping for a little more, but considering it's a stock motor, boost, fuel system and stock oil pump gears, I'm happy with it! Kevin did a great job. The A/F is perfect and the car is doing exactly what we're commanding. I know I can add a few more degrees of timing and get 640-650 out of it, but it's not worth it to make the car live for a good while.


http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s671/Lucille_13/Lucille/D2245409-05AA-4657-9A9C-E93DDD252CE6_zpsplxklszy.jpg (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/Lucille_13/media/Lucille/D2245409-05AA-4657-9A9C-E93DDD252CE6_zpsplxklszy.jpg.html)

[downtime!]

Nice! Get comfortable with her now and she's a mid to high 10 second car all day long.

[Dark Pony]

Yes sir

[JDMLOL]

This is on E85, right?

[Gottop]

Dumb question. What did you put on it?

[Dark Pony]

Yes, E85. It's a 2.8 KB

[Grandpa]

Cool. Cant wait to run ya. =)

[5PointSlow]

How much boost?

[Dark Pony]

10 psi

[Zeek]

Can't wait to drag you. I'm getting switched back to only Sundays off starting next week.

[Dark Pony]

We'll see about that

[Grandpa]

Zeek by 2+ and thats on motor. If Zeek was spraying it would be 2+ bus lengths. Lmao

[Dark Pony]

Thanks for your input Steve. I couldn't live without it.

[Zeek]

Zeek by 2+ and thats on motor. If Zeek was spraying it would be 2+ bus lengths. Lmao

I'd like to know what that GT500 has done exactly so then i'd have a comparison. But unless Darkpony posted sandbagging numbers I expect to beat him by 2+ :)

[Grandpa]

Thanks for your input Steve. I couldn't live without it.

Dont take it personally. Your car is probably quick for what it is. It just takes alot for a Stang to overcome the Vette's advantages. A Stang needs to make about 150rw more to do so. If you hook and get a good jump it could be a good race!

[5PointSlow]

Stock air box and headers? Numbers seem pretty low for that boost so I can imagine the timing is extremely conservative.

[Dark Pony]

I'm not taking anything personally. I just don't think you're right. I had beat C6 Z's when I was N/A. I don't believe I'll get 2 car lengths put on me. If i do, so be it.

KB's don't have an air box. They have 4.5" ram air tube. The timing is very conservative. People who claim that it's low for what I have, don't realize I have the capability of adding timing through my handheld and making another 100 HP if I wanted...it's all just a number. I try not to place a big emphasis on a dyno number because it really doesn't matter. I just wanted to have an idea where I'm at.

[Dominic Toretto]

Dont take it personally. Your car is probably quick for what it is. It just takes alot for a Stang to overcome the Vette's advantages. A Stang needs to make about 150rw more to do so. If you hook and get a good jump it could be a good race!

Stop telling the truth damnit!

I have the capability of adding timing through my handheld and making another 100 HP if I wanted...it's all just a number. I try not to place a big emphasis on a dyno number because it really doesn't matter. I just wanted to have an idea where I'm at.

Are you saying the amount of power the car makes doesn't matter in a race?

-Alex

[Dark Pony]

Stop telling the truth damnit!



Are you saying the amount of power the car makes doesn't matter in a race?

-Alex

You obviously didn't comprehend what I said. You want a number? Shit, in 3 minutes my car can make 720HP...what the hell does it matter? This wasn't a "let's talk about racing other cars" thread. It was what my car makes on an extremely efficient and reliable tune.

[fordplay]

That's a perfect round number!! Nice.. it does take a lot to over come the corvette advantage. . I mean first they have the weight savings from those tiny penis. Then it's been proven if you have a button down shirt half open the airflow over that much chest hair gives a lower drag coefficient, combine that with a quart of 10w 30 in the hair or bald.. and that's a slick car.. furthermore the lack of a girl in the passenger seat and no extra seats for family.. (mostly from ED issues) and you have so many things to overcome.

[Dark Pony]

that's a perfect round number!! Nice.. It does take a lot to over come the corvette advantage. . I mean first they have the weight savings from those tiny penis. Then it's been proven if you have a button down shirt half open the airflow over that much chest hair gives a lower drag coefficient, combine that with a quart of 10w 30 in the hair or bald.. And that's a slick car.. Furthermore the lack of a girl in the passenger seat and no extra seats for family.. (mostly from ed issues) and you have so many things to overcome.

lmao

[Zeek]

That's a perfect round number!! Nice.. it does take a lot to over come the corvette advantage. . I mean first they have the weight savings from those tiny penis. Then it's been proven if you have a button down shirt half open the airflow over that much chest hair gives a lower drag coefficient, combine that with a quart of 10w 30 in the hair or bald.. and that's a slick car.. furthermore the lack of a girl in the passenger seat and no extra seats for family.. (mostly from ED issues) and you have so many things to overcome.

That's funny. It doesn't describe me at all.

[DirtyD]

It just takes alot for a Stang to overcome the Vette's advantages. A Stang needs to make about 150rw more to do so.
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That's a perfect round number!! Nice.. it does take a lot to over come the corvette advantage. . I mean first they have the weight savings from those tiny penis. Then it's been proven if you have a button down shirt half open the airflow over that much chest hair gives a lower drag coefficient, combine that with a quart of 10w 30 in the hair or bald.. and that's a slick car.. furthermore the lack of a girl in the passenger seat and no extra seats for family.. (mostly from ED issues) and you have so many things to overcome.
:lol:

[Grandpa]

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/210/119/9b3.png


:lol:

Ha! I'm just giving you guys with less street experience a lil heads up to go armed with some info. You guys can believe me, or don't, its all good. By all means, go out and give it a shot.

[Dominic Toretto]

You obviously didn't comprehend what I said. You want a number? Shit, in 3 minutes my car can make 720HP...what the hell does it matter? This wasn't a "let's talk about racing other cars" thread. It was what my car makes on an extremely efficient and reliable tune.

Yet the thread is titled "Lucille's Dyno Numbers" LOL. Apparently you didn't comprehend the title of your own thread.

I don't know who the fuck pissed in your Cheerios but, no need to be a dick about asking something relevant to the actual thread.

-Alex

[DirtyD]

Ha! I'm just giving you guys with less street experience a lil heads up to go armed with some info. You guys can believe me, or don't, its all good. By all means, go out and give it a shot.
Just poking at you. Everyone knows what a heavy Mustang needs to really compete with a Vette. Not exactly rocket science. :)

[rlhay2]

Are you saying the amount of power the car makes doesn't matter in a race?


In a manner, I will say "Yes!"
The peak point on a dyno sheet is nowhere near as critical as the area under the curve on the same dyno sheet.

As for the vs vette discussions; regardless of the advantages it still comes down to the drivers. As long as the cars are close in performance.

[Dominic Toretto]

In a manner, I will say "Yes!"
The peak point on a dyno sheet is nowhere near as critical as the area under the curve on the same dyno sheet.



I understand that but, I am not talking about peak only power. A dyno shows the power from 0rpm to redline.

-Alex

[Grandpa]

Peak numbers mean squat. There are a ton of variables that come into play when it comes to racing. My statement of a Stang needing an additional 150rw is a simplified way of putting it.

Jonathon's best chance to beat Zeek would be at the track forcing Zeek to attempt to launch the car without breaking the rear in the car. Otherwise he will have to leave soft and try to chase him down before the traps. By limiting the distance, it gives the Stang a good chance. However, on the street, from a roll with doing a full pull, the Stang is at a serious disadvantage due to power to weight, gearing and aerodynamics.

From a roll, Zeek NA to Jonathon's boost, it should be a decent race providing Jonathon has traction (which he should on those tires). The distance of the race will determine how many cars Zeek will put out front cuz the Vette will undoubtly backdoor the hell out of a blown Stang.

Zeek on spray, forget it. Someone should call the Homicide Unit cuz there would be a murder going down.

[DirtyD]

Peak numbers mean squat. There are a ton of variables that come into play when it comes to racing. My statement of a Stang needing an additional 150rw is a simplified way of putting it.

Jonathon's best chance to beat Zeek would be at the track forcing Zeek to attempt to launch the car without breaking the rear in the car. Otherwise he will have to leave soft and try to chase him down before the traps. By limiting the distance, it gives the Stang a good chance. However, on the street, from a roll with doing a full pull, the Stang is at a serious disadvantage due to power to weight, gearing and aerodynamics.

From a roll, Zeek NA to Jonathon's boost, it should be a decent race providing Jonathon has traction (which he should on those tires). The distance of the race will determine how many cars Zeek will put out front cuz the Vette will undoubtly backdoor the hell out of a blown Stang.

Zeek on spray, forget it. Someone should call the Homicide Unit cuz there would be a murder going down.
Johnathan has swapped to 3.15 gears, so he will be able to hang in boost for a good while...may or may not help though, just throwing that out there.

[Grandpa]

Johnathan has swapped to 3.15 gears, so he will be able to hang in boost for a good while...may or may not help though, just throwing that out there.

Trans gears also play a big role in that as well, not just rear end gearing. A lot of 5.0's need to make a gear switch when going boosted because with stock gearing will either make you run out 4th or force you to throw 5th before the traps which either way slows you down. Switching to the 3.15's will certainly help him in that area.

[DirtyD]

Trans gears also play a big role in that as well, not just rear end gearing. A lot of 5.0's need to make a gear switch when going boosted because with stock gearing will either make you run out 4th or force you to throw 5th before the traps which either way slows you down. Switching to the 3.15's will certainly help him in that area.
I think he said that he should be able to cross traps in the 130s in 4th, but not sure where in the RPM in 4th.

Mathwise, based on the tires he has (which I think are 275/60/15 M/Ts) and the gearing in the MT-82, 130 would be about 6500 RPM, so he has enough gear to stretch 140 in 4th, maybe even 145 if he runs it to 7200-7300.

[Grandpa]

I think he said that he should be able to cross traps in the 130s in 4th, but not sure where in the RPM in 4th.

Mathwise, based on the tires he has (which I think are 275/60/15 M/Ts) and the gearing in the MT-82, 130 would be about 6500 RPM, so he has enough gear to stretch 140 in 4th, maybe even 145 if he runs it to 7200-7300.

I have serious doubts that he will trap 130+. My guess would be 125-128 depending on the temp and DA.

[DirtyD]

I have serious doubts that he will trap 130+. My guess would be 125-128 depending on the temp and DA.
Bryan trapped 130 a few times I think. Of course experience of driver may be the difference, but the car itself should be plenty capable.

[Grandpa]

Bryan trapped 130 a few times I think. Of course experience of driver may be the difference, but the car itself should be plenty capable.

Hopefully we will find out. It should run good. The trick will be finding the sweet spot of launching the car. Big tire with a twinscrew is a delicate balance. Needs more RPM to keep it from bogging, too much and it will blow tire.

LOL, the funny thing is that if it was an auto, no question the car would be damn fast at the track. The damn manual adds a lot of variables to it all.



Side note - Yesterday at the RR event, there was Two Mustangs that ran well and one which was JShoots Boss. Built motor, boost and a built auto and it ran well all day long going to the semi-finals. All the other faster cars there going into the late rounds - Vettes. ;)

[BERT]

Hopefully we will find out. It should run good. The trick will be finding the sweet spot of launching the car. Big tire with a twinscrew is a delicate balance. Needs more RPM to keep it from bogging, too much and it will blow tire.

LOL, the funny thing is that if it was an auto, no question the car would be damn fast at the track. The damn manual adds a lot of variables to it all.



Side note - Yesterday at the RR event, there was two Mustangs that ran well which one was JShoots Boss. Built motor, boost and a built auto and it ran well all day long going to the semi-finals. All the other faster cars there going into the late rounds - Vettes. ;)


Who won each class?

[Zeek]

Delrin -GT500 won B class
Vic - Grand sport won A class

[Grandpa]

Who won each class?

It was a dramatic ending, no surprise there. Vic and Lance (both Vettes) raced in the finals. The break out speed was 163mph, both cars ran 163.xx with Vic running the lesser break out speed making him the winner.

Sean B from TrueStreet came in 3rd (not breaking out) racing a Z06 with a 100 shot on it. He drove his ass off all day!

Delrin came back to win the other class in his red GT500. He tried to melt the damn thing to the ground though after making a pass at 111mph with no water in it. lmao.

[BERT]

What happened to JRod?

[DirtyD]

I've only heard him say "I'll be launching the piss out of this car." which was another reason he wanted a taller rear gear. lol

Glad that RR went down without a hitch. JShoots Boss is a beast. Drag is what limits him.

[Grandpa]

What happened to JRod?

His car ran good. Barely got eliminated in the semi's. Fast lil rotary car. First time I've ever seen a rotary car make that many passes and not break. :ROFLJest:

[Zeek]

His car ran good. Barely got eliminated in the semi's. Fast lil rotary car. First time I've ever seen a rotary car make that many passes and not break. :ROFLJest:

It broke BTW. He was leaking coolant all over the runway. But kept in the race. Vic said it was spraying on his rear tire.

[Grandpa]

It broke BTW. He was leaking coolant all over the runway. But kept in the race. Vic said it was spraying on his rear tire.

Doh!! Crazy fucker. 155-158mph with wet tires. That's nuts! haha.

[blownaltered]

Kind of goes to show you the advantage the vette has. Jshoot's car makes what mid 800 hp and the vette Sean was driving was around 720hp. Jshoot's car I believe went a best of 155mph and the vette with 100 less rwhp ran a best of 157mph. So if nobody believe the 100hp difference it was proved yesterday at RR.

[Midnight11]

Vic ran a best of 163.xx both vettes at the end broke out

[downtime!]

I routinely trapped 133-134 with mine, running 3.55 gears. We set the rev limiter to 7400 and I crossed the line at 7200 in 4th. I personally think the 3.15 gears are going to hurt the 1/4 mile trap speed a bit, and I'm guessing it will be in the mid to high 120's. With the right tires though, it will be a LOT of fun on the autobahn.

[Grandpa]

I routinely trapped 133-134 with mine, running 3.55 gears. We set the rev limiter to 7400 and I crossed the line at 7200 in 4th. I personally think the 3.15 gears are going to hurt the 1/4 mile trap speed a bit, and I'm guessing it will be in the mid to high 120's. With the right tires though, it will be a LOT of fun on the autobahn.

That's what I said! Haha

[Dark Pony]

3.15 gears, my tire size, transmission gearing, 7000 rpm will allow me to spin 4th gear up to 139 MPH. That's perfect for the trap speeds that this car will see. Although my car has not been weighed, it is not the average pig of a Mustang and has almost all of the light weight parts in the right areas. Steve, I believe your theory is flawed and I will prove it wrong. If for some reason I don't beat Zeek, which I highly doubt, I will stand corrected.

[Grandpa]

3.15 gears, my tire size, transmission gearing, 7000 rpm will allow me to spin 4th gear up to 139 MPH. That's perfect for the trap speeds that this car will see. Although my car has not been weighed, it is not the average pig of a Mustang and has almost all of the light weight parts in the right areas. Steve, I believe your theory is flawed and I will prove it wrong. If for some reason I don't beat Zeek, which I highly doubt, I will stand corrected.

Why do you believe it to be flawed? Have you expierenced something different racing it? Ive spent a lot of time out and believe to be a pretty solid formula.

[Junkie]

Maybe I missed it, what is Steves theory?

Zeek is going to drag that ass.

[Dark Pony]

You say that a mustang needs to have 150 HP than a corvette to win. How is it that I've beat almost every corvette I've raced? I was NA and put a car and a half on a C6Z...I know several people that beat corvettes all day. I'm done going back and forth. Him and I are going to work through getting this arranged.

[Dark Pony]

Maybe I missed it, what is Steves theory?

Zeek is going to drag that ass.

Doubtful

[Junkie]

You say that a mustang needs to have 150 HP than a corvette to win. How is it that I've beat almost every corvette I've raced? I was NA and put a car and a half on a C6Z...I know several people that beat corvettes all day. I'm done going back and forth. Him and I are going to work through getting this arranged.

C6Z owner couldn't drive his way out of a wet paper sack, clearly. My bone stock 04 Z06 drug every single 5.0 at coit one night. Including full bolt on cars. Z didn't even have a tune

Doubtful

Good luck

[Dark Pony]

You clearly have more experience than most guys. I know you can drive whatever it is your in. That being said, lack of driving on someone else's behalf, isn't my problem. Hence why some guys with less power can beat guys with more power. I think the race between him and I will be a good one. I don't think anyone is going to run away from the other. Time will tell though.

[BERT]

Was the c6z guy really old? Maybe he had artharites and couldn't grip the shifter very hard??



And I'll be more than happy to bet some money on this race if it ever happens. I'm a degenerate :/

[Grandpa]

You are right, drivers do make a big difference. The faster car doesnt always win due to driver error or lack of skill. That being said, even a monkey in a C6 Z06 should be able to drive around a NA 5.0. Hell, my car bone stock weighing a BUNCH more than a C6 Z06 will fuck up a bolt on 5.0 and a Z will beat me. Lol.

A stock c6 Z06 with a good driver can run 10.90s STOCK.

[downtime!]

You are right, drivers do make a big difference. The faster car doesnt always win due to driver error or lack of skill. That being said, even a monkey in a C6 Z06 should be able to drive around a NA 5.0. Hell, my car bone stock weighing a BUNCH more than a C6 Z06 will fuck up a bolt on 5.0 and a Z will beat me. Lol.

A stock c6 Z06 with a good driver can run 10.90s STOCK.If you're talking about Rangers car, stock is a relative term. He did go 10.98 on the run flats, at MIR, on a 40 degree day, but that car is tuned within an inch of it's life. Stock? I guess you can call it LS stock. He did 10.70s with DR's by the way. Damn impressive run. But I wouldn't call it stock, and I certainly wouldn't capitalize the word.

[Junkie]

If you're talking about Rangers car, stock is a relative term. He did go 10.98 on the run flats, but that car is tuned within an inch of it's life. Stock? I guess you can call it LS stock. He did 10.70s with DR's by the way. Damn impressive run. But I wouldn't call it stock, and I certainly wouldn't capitalize the word.

What parts on the car weren't stock?

[Disturbed]

I had beat C6 Z's when I was N/A.

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[downtime!]

What parts on the car weren't stock?The part that counts the most, the ECM. I ran 11.60's with a "stock" 2012 GT. Stock air box, paper filter, stock exhaust. Only mod it had was a tune, so yeah, it was as stock as Rangers Vette.

[Junkie]

The part that counts the most, the ECM. I ran 11.60's with a "stock" 2012 GT. Stock air box, paper filter, stock exhaust. Only mod it had was a tune, so yeah, it was as stock as Rangers Vette.

Sounds pretty stock to me. A tune isn't changing parts, what hard parts are changed from factory?

[DirtyD]

Sounds pretty stock to me. A tune isn't changing parts, what hard parts are changed from factory?
So now stock doesn't mean stock? Good to know.

[Junkie]

TMK Ranger posted times with the car untuned and tuned. I guess I don't understand all the confusion.

Maybe I'm weird, but I don't consider a tune a crazy mod, same with plugs and oil lol. Does water wetter count?!

[garner]

Plugs and oil do absolutely nothing for performance, a tune is one of the biggest power adding "bolt on"...plug in mods

[Zeek]

Plugs and oil do absolutely nothing for performance, a tune is one of the biggest power adding "bolt on"...plug in mods

My car would probaly knock if i had the wrong plugs in it.....so your wrong imo

[BERT]

TMK Ranger posted times with the car untuned and tuned. I guess I don't understand all the confusion.

Maybe I'm weird, but I don't consider a tune a crazy mod, same with plugs and oil lol. Does water wetter count?!



Typical LS think. Of course I'm pretty sure you consider anything short of changing heads to be stock lol

[Grandpa]

Typical LS think. Of course I'm pretty sure you consider anything short of changing heads to be stock lol

Modular motors make some people so bitter and angry..

[JDMLOL]

Plugs and oil do absolutely nothing for performance, a tune is one of the biggest power adding "bolt on"...plug in mods


Try throwing the wrong plugs in a little 2.0t Volkswagen and see how that works out. Lol. It's like running on two cylinders.

My definition of stock: driving the car off the assembly line, filling it up with gas and then going to the track.

[DirtyD]

Modular motors make some people so bitter and angry..
So does stupidity

And stating that putting another tune on a car besides the one that comes from the factory and still calling it stock is pretty dumb.

[DirtyD]

Modular motors make some people so bitter and angry..
Double post. Yay internets

[Dark Pony]

Modular motors make some people so bitter and angry..

:buttkick:

[Grandpa]

It's an inside joke between Bert and I you overly sensitive clowns. lol

[Dark Pony]

It's an inside joke between Bert and I you overly sensitive clowns. lol

Clown = owns a Caddy, LS nutswinger, makes fun of Mustangs, but still is an admin of a 5.0 forum lol

[Grandpa]

Clown = owns a Caddy, LS nutswinger, makes fun of Mustangs, but still is an admin of a 5.0 forum lol

I prefer car nutswinger thank you cuz I like anything with lots of horsepower. lol I've had 15 Mustangs, still have one and will most likely at some point have another one. Not my fault you want to limit yourself. :)

For the record, I make fun of ALL my cars, including the Caddy. Don't be so sensitive.

[Grandpa]

So does stupidity

And stating that putting another tune on a car besides the one that comes from the factory and still calling it stock is pretty dumb.

I think all the "LS stock" stuff is hilarious. Some of those LS guys really believe that shit! haha.

[DirtyD]

I think all the "LS stock" stuff is hilarious. Some of those LS guys really believe that shit! haha.
"It's only H/C/I. Here's my receipt to prove it. All those engine parts are for my buddy's car."

[Grandpa]

"It's only H/C/I. Here's my receipt to prove it. All those engine parts are for my buddy's car."

It's the "cam only" guys that really make me laugh. The car can have a bunch of other shit done to it, but since the heads are untouched, it's "cam only".

[BERT]

It's an inside joke between Bert and I you overly sensitive clowns. lol


"There was one?"

[STROKD]

It's the "cam only" guys that really make me laugh. The car can have a bunch of other shit done to it, but since the heads are untouched, it's "cam only".

My 08 was cam and exhaust only.. nitrous of course when I used it. Dont count air filters anymore. Lol

[Dominic Toretto]

It's the "cam only" guys that really make me laugh. The car can have a bunch of other shit done to it, but since the heads are untouched, it's "cam only".

If by "a bunch of other shit" you mean supporting mods for the cam, then it's pretty ridiculous to assume someone would only install a cam WITHOUT supporting mods lol.

I mean seriously, who would install an LG G5X3 cam and not upgrade to longtubes, better intake, IM, plugs, tune, full exhaust to take full advantage of the cam? Of course better heads would be optimal but, everything else is pretty necessary to use the cam without it being a monumental waste of money.

-Alex

[re-rx7]

Heads and cams are bolts ons.






In the ls universe

[Junkie]

like I said, what hard parts have been changed? What NONE STOCK PARTS have been added?

Thats like counting 93 octane as a mod lol

[DirtyD]

like I said, what hard parts have been changed? What NONE STOCK PARTS have been added?

Thats like counting 93 octane as a mod lol
Stock = Factory. If the tune isn't the same tune it left the factory assembly line with, it's not stock, regardless if everything else is untouched.

[Dominic Toretto]

Stock = Factory.

'nuff said.

-Alex

[Junkie]

What factory parts have been removed and replaced? I'm talking hard parts, actual things you can hold in your hand.

By your definition, once you do an oil change the car isn't stock. Its not the factory oil in the motor anymore.

[Grandpa]

If by "a bunch of other shit" you mean supporting mods for the cam, then it's pretty ridiculous to assume someone would only install a cam WITHOUT supporting mods lol.

I mean seriously, who would install an LG G5X3 cam and not upgrade to longtubes, better intake, IM, plugs, tune, full exhaust to take full advantage of the cam? Of course better heads would be optimal but, everything else is pretty necessary to use the cam without it being a monumental waste of money.

-Alex

You just said it yourself, that isn't just a cam, but a lot of other things as well. The phrase "cam only" is meant to understate mods for those who are uninformed on what it really means. Personally, I find it funny as hell and doesn't bother me in the slightest.

It's all part of racing as far as I'm concerned. If you don't come out prepared, educated on street racing, on your A game, car prepped and running to run it's best race, then it's on you. Hence the old term, "run what ya bring and hope you brought enough".

This latest generation of racers are a bunch of sniveling little whiners who have to bench race it to death first with their calculator racing to insure they get the win or don't race. It's cry baby bullshit. I wish people would just get back to having fun and racing win or lose without thinking it's some kind of personal reflection upon themselves as a man. It's a hobby, the shit is suppose to be fun. I'll race anyone, I don't care. Win or lose, doesn't matter because it's fun.

[DirtyD]

What factory parts have been removed and replaced? I'm talking hard parts, actual things you can hold in your hand.

By your definition, once you do an oil change the car isn't stock. Its not the factory oil in the motor anymore.
You are stretching my statement IMO.

Stock is the factory parts and configuration of the vehicle as it left the factory, but doesn't include fuel, oil, coolant, etc since those are replenishable.

Oil eventually has to be changed...a tune, intake, exhaust, etc doesn't HAVE to be changed.

[Grandpa]

What factory parts have been removed and replaced? I'm talking hard parts, actual things you can hold in your hand.

By your definition, once you do an oil change the car isn't stock. Its not the factory oil in the motor anymore.

You can replace the oil with the same oil it left the factory with. You're splitting hairs in your argument. lol.

Stock is stock. The way it leaves the factory. Factory tune and all.

[DirtyD]

This latest generation of racers are a bunch of sniveling little whiners who have to bench race it to death first with their calculator racing to insure they get the win or don't race. It's cry baby bullshit.

So exactly like Zeek calling out all Mustangs "650whp and below"?

[Junkie]

You are stretching my statement IMO.

Stock is the factory parts and configuration of the vehicle as it left the factory, but doesn't include fuel, oil, coolant, etc since those are replenishable.

Oil eventually has to be changed...a tune, intake, exhaust, etc doesn't HAVE to be changed.

I've personally switched to 0 weight oil and picked up great power. So no I'm not stretching anything.

Car is "factory" anymore once one oil change is done, according to your definition.

[DirtyD]

You can replace the oil with the same oil it left the factory with. You're splitting hairs in your argument. lol.

Stock is stock. The way it leaves the factory. Factory tune and all.
HOLY SHIT STEVE AND I AGREE! lulz :lol:

[Junkie]

So exactly like Zeek calling out all Mustangs "650whp and below"?

I've watched Zeek accept call outs in person from much more powerful cars. He doesn't give a shit.

He called out 650rwhp stangs so he would have a good fun race. Its pretty simple

[DirtyD]

I've personally switched to 0 weight oil and picked up great power. So no I'm not stretching anything.

Car is "factory" anymore once one oil change is done, according to your definition.
But then again, you didn't have to switch to 0W. You could've kept the exact same oil weight and brand that was originally put in the car.

[Grandpa]

So exactly like Zeek calling out all Mustangs "650whp and below"?

That's just street racing stuff and everything is negotiable. It's clear you don't know Zeek because he will race anything, including the wind if it challenged him. Make no mistake, Zeek will race. lol

Besides, his car only makes 491rw, so a 650 Stang isn't really unreasonable in his request. He just wants to see where he stands against a blown Stang with him on motor.

[DirtyD]

That's just street racing stuff and everything is negotiable. It's clear you don't know Zeek because he will race anything, including the wind if it challenged him. Make no mistake, Zeek will race. lol

Besides, his car only makes 491rw, so a 650 Stang isn't really unreasonable in his request. He just wants to see where he stands against a blown Stang with him on motor.
He's made that clear as of late, but didn't seem that clear when he posted that thread. I was just using that as an example anyways.

[Junkie]

But then again, you didn't have to switch to 0W. You could've kept the exact same oil weight and brand that was originally put in the car.

lol hilarious. So now you CAN in fact change things from factory as long as its within reason and similar.

Which is EXACTLY what a tune does.

Yet thats not ok.

[Grandpa]

He's made that clear as of late, but didn't seem that clear when he posted that thread. I was just using that as an example anyways.

I really wouldn't expect you to get it since you're not really a racer at all.

[Dominic Toretto]

You just said it yourself, that isn't just a cam, but a lot of other things as well. The phrase "cam only" is meant to understate mods for those who are uninformed on what it really means.

Exactly. I am kind of lost on why you seemed confused about the term if you knew what it meant to begin with. But, no need to get into that and sidetrack the thread.

Car is "factory" anymore once one oil change is done, according to your definition.

No... just.... no.

-Alex

[Grandpa]

Exactly. I am kind of lost on why you seemed confused about the term if you knew what it meant to begin with. But, no need to get into that and sidetrack the thread.

It was a comment back to Derek stating that I found it amusing. Don't like it, skip the thread.

[DirtyD]

lol hilarious. So now you CAN in fact change things from factory as long as its within reason and similar.

Which is EXACTLY what a tune does.

Yet thats not ok.
Let me try this again. Oil is a consumable. I obviously don't have to explain to you what no changing your oil will do. Therefore you have to change it. You don't have to change the car's intake, as the stock on works fine. You don't have to change the factory cam. You don't have to delete the cats. The car will still run perfectly fine with all that stuff staying the same. Saying that changing the oil no longer makes the vehicle stock is about as stupid as a KKK member walking into the slums of Oak Cliff and screaming the N word and not expecting to get killed.

I don't see how you can argue that changing the tune to maximize the efficiency and power of the engine is still stock.

I really wouldn't expect you to get it since you're not really a racer at all.
Here you go again......asinine comments.....:025:

[Junkie]

I guess you missed the fact that I wasn't talking about Cam, intake, exhaust, etc...

[Dominic Toretto]

It was a comment back to Derek stating that I found it amusing.

Oh okay my mistake.

Don't like it, skip the thread.

That's why I originally stated "If you mean"... meaning I wasn't sure just trying to clarify. Gee fucking whiz.

-Alex

[Grandpa]

Here you go again...........:025:

Why do you find that comment offensive? It's the truth. You're not a racer, certainly not a hardcore racer nor are you very expierenced since you're still pretty new to this hobby. Drop the insecurity. Everyone was new at some point.

[Courtesy Flush]

But, no need to get into that and sidetrack the thread.


No worries, its already hit that point.

[DirtyD]

Why do you find that comment offensive? It's the truth. You're not a racer, certainly not a hardcore racer nor are you very expierenced since you're still pretty new to this hobby. Drop the insecurity. Everyone was new at some point.
I didn't find it offensive? I just don't see how that comment was a proper response to what I said.

Simply pointing out the fact Zeek makes a thread calling out xxx whp Mustangs to race a couple of weeks ago, then proceeding to say in that same thread he should beat them no problem.

[Dominic Toretto]

No worries, its already hit that point.

Touche LOL.

-Alex

[DirtyD]

I guess you missed the fact that I wasn't talking about Cam, intake, exhaust, etc...
I can see that. I'm using those as part of my argument. You don't have to change any hard parts of the car for it to function as intended. You don't have to change the tune in the computer for the car to function as intended either. You do have to change the oil eventually for the car to function as it was intended.

[Junkie]

I understand that, but according to you. Changing ANYTHING = not stock.

Unless those rules only apply to the computer lol? which makes zero sense.

[DirtyD]

I understand that, but according to you. Changing ANYTHING = not stock.

Unless those rules only apply to the computer lol? which makes zero sense.
Okay, it will be reworded since you like to split hairs.

Changing anything that is not a consumable is no longer stock. So that means fuel, oil, cabin air filters, light bulbs aren't covered.

[Grandpa]

Simply pointing out the fact Zeek makes a thread calling out xxx whp Mustangs to race a couple of weeks ago, then proceeding to say in that same thread he should beat them no problem.

Its called racing, Derek. You should try it rather than sitting online with your calculator guessmating everything rather than getting some actual experience and having fun. Perhaps you can finally get your stock 12 second car out of the 13's. :dogpile:

[Zeek]

Simply pointing out the fact Zeek makes a thread calling out xxx whp Mustangs to race a couple of weeks ago, then proceeding to say in that same thread he should beat them no problem.
I like to call that "stiring the pot" I get on a mustang forum. Call out mustangs making over 100 more HP than me and only 1 mustang steps up to race. Pretty sad.

[DirtyD]

Its called racing, Derek. You should try it rather than sitting online with your calculator guessmating everything rather than getting some actual experience and having fun. Perhaps you can finally get your stock 12 second car out of the 13's. :dogpile:


You really enjoy this, don't you?

[BERT]

What factory parts have been removed and replaced? I'm talking hard parts, actual things you can hold in your hand.

By your definition, once you do an oil change the car isn't stock. Its not the factory oil in the motor anymore.


LMAO, don't like admitting you're not right, huh?

This would be a fun convo on a Friday night :D

[Junkie]

Okay, it will be reworded since you like to split hairs.

Changing anything that is not a consumable is no longer stock. So that means fuel, oil, cabin air filters, light bulbs aren't covered.

So adding C16 to a car is ok, it can still be stock. But hooking a laptop up makes it modded. lol got it!

[Junkie]

LMAO, don't like admitting you're not right, huh?

This would be a fun convo on a Friday night :D

My point was no hard parts changing, which I still stand behind.

Im speaking of rules in racing classes, events, etc…

With actual racing experience. lol A tune isn't going to eliminate a car from a stock car class…Hard parts being changed will. Its really that simple.

[Courtesy Flush]

I like to call that "stiring the pot" I get on a mustang forum. Call out mustangs making over 100 more HP than me and only 1 mustang steps up to race. Pretty sad.

That's because all the cars that meet that criteria either blow up or get sold because people finally realize they should have bought a LS based platform.

[DirtyD]

So adding C16 to a car is ok, it can still be stock. But hooking a laptop up makes it modded. lol got it!


Well this is where it really starts to get fuzzy. Obviously the timing has to be changed since the factory tune won't be able to adjust enough.

Hooking a laptop up for is Coyote guys doesn't do anything, so we would still be stock. :p

[Grandpa]

You really enjoy this, don't you?

It's friendly banter. I do the same thing with my buddies. I'm not treating you any differently. Well, actually I go lighter on you considering how sensitive you are. You should see the shit Bert and Blownaltered and I all say back and forth to one another. It way more harsh! haha.

Now, get up, wipe your ass(front to back, I don't want you getting any shit in your sandy vag), pull your panties up, go get in your slow ass car and learn to drive it and come race my shitbox Grandpa car. :D

[Grandpa]

LMAO, don't like admitting you're not right, huh?

This would be a fun convo on a Friday night :D

Will is just shaking the newb's tree abit to see what shakes loose. lol

[Grandpa]

That's because all the cars that meet that criteria either blow up or get sold because people finally realize they should have bought a LS based platform.

Ziiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggg!!!

[DirtyD]

It's friendly banter. I do the same thing with my buddies. I'm not treating you any differently. Well, actually I go lighter on you considering how sensitive you are. You should see the shit Bert and Blownaltered and I all say back and forth to one another. It way more harsh! haha.



Now, get up, wipe your ass(front to back, I don't want you getting any shit in your sandy vag), pull your panties up, go get in your slow ass car and learn to drive it and come race my shitbox Grandpa car. :D


Cool. That's the difference between your buddies and me then. Just because you give your friends shit doesn't mean everyone else is cool with it. That's all I'm trying to say. There is no butthurt, I'm just not the type of person that walks around yelling "go fuck yourself" to all my friends.

Maybe I can make it back out to coit this summer. Between wedding and building a house, things will start getting busy soon. Then I don't know if I'll even be keeping the car

[Grandpa]

Cool. That's the difference between your buddies and me then. Just because you give your friends shit doesn't mean everyone else is cool with it. That's all I'm trying to say. There is no butthurt, I'm just not the type of person that walks around yelling "go fuck yourself" to all my friends.

Maybe I can make it back out to coit this summer. Between wedding and building a house, things will start getting busy soon. Then I don't know if I'll even be keeping the car

You're such a woman. Just sell the car already and go to a puppy forum. lol

[BERT]

My point was no hard parts changing, which I still stand behind.

Im speaking of rules in racing classes, events, etc…

With actual racing experience. lol A tune isn't going to eliminate a car from a stock car class…Hard parts being changed will. Its really that simple.



I'm gonna bring this up one Friday night if we're ever there at the same time. And I hope I'm having a terrible day so I can laugh out loud and that makes it all better. I'm enjoying this, yes I am.

And yes, I know where you're coming from and what you're getting at. I have experience too :jawdrop:

[BERT]

Will is just shaking the newb's tree abit to see what shakes loose. lol


I'm enjoying it. Fuck it's humid out today

[Junkie]

I'm gonna bring this up one Friday night if we're ever there at the same time. And I hope I'm having a terrible day so I can laugh out loud and that makes it all better. I'm enjoying this, yes I am.

And yes, I know where you're coming from and what you're getting at. I have experience too :jawdrop:

lol the conversation would be fun in person.

[DirtyD]

You're such a woman. Just sell the car already and go to a puppy forum. lol


Glad I know your opinion. I'll make sure to add that to my resume under the "IDGAF" section.

[Courtesy Flush]

You're such a woman. Just sell the car already and go to a puppy forum. lol

:happy175:

[Junkie]

Glad I know your opinion. I'll make sure to add that to my resume under the "IDGAF" section.

Are you this much of a cry baby all the time? It seems to be the norm for you on here.

Honest question, not poking fun.

[BERT]

lol the conversation would be fun in person.


Especially if certain people were there. Hell, I'd have to get my chair out of my car for this shit

[DirtyD]

Are you this much of a cry baby all the time? It seems to be the norm for you on here.



Honest question, not poking fun.


Who's crying? Because I call out Steve for being a dick for no reason, it's labeled as crying? Simply because I act different than the rest of you I get hazed. Same old shit, different day. Dealt with this in high school, I can deal with it now. People always like to poke fun at the guy that doesn't follow the crowd. Always have to prove they are some badass by belittling or demeaning another person to make themselves look better instead of treating the other person with respect. That's how I feel.

I still don't see how y'all can tell my emotional state simply by reading text. You read something in the tone that you want to read it and that's it. No one can change your mind. Then you just run with it.

[Junkie]

Especially if certain people were there. Hell, I'd have to get my chair out of my car for this shit

I've been dropping the ball on bag chairs recently, need to step up my chair game.

Who's crying? Because I call out Steve for being a dick for no reason, it's labeled as crying? Simply because I act different than the rest of you I get hazed. Same old shit, different day. Dealt with this in high school, I can deal with it now. People always like to poke fun at the guy that doesn't follow the crowd. Always have to prove they are some badass by belittling or demeaning another person to make themselves look better instead of treating the other person with respect. That's how I feel.

I still don't see how y'all can tell my emotional state simply by reading text. You read something in the tone that you want to read it and that's it. No one can change your mind. Then you just run with it.

All I really took from this, is that you've been a cry baby since Highschool. LMFAO

[DirtyD]

All I really took from this, is that you've been a cry baby since Highschool. LMFAO
You call me a cry baby, I call you a douche bag. Neither of us know each other, so it is what it is, another person's worthless opinion.

You asked me an honest question, I gave you an honest answer.

[Doug1227]

God I feel stupid for having just read all of that....

[Dominic Toretto]

This thread is definitely peaking.

-Alex

[Grandpa]

I'm gonna bring this up one Friday night if we're ever there at the same time. And I hope I'm having a terrible day so I can laugh out loud and that makes it all better. I'm enjoying this, yes I am.

And yes, I know where you're coming from and what you're getting at. I have experience too :jawdrop:

Derek racing experience too. Put a calculator in his hand and he instantly becomes John Force.

I'm enjoying it. Fuck it's humid out today

I bet it's making your beard frizzy.

lol the conversation would be fun in person.

It usually is. Just make sure the emo with the blue 5.0 isn't there or he will start cutting himself.

Glad I know your opinion. I'll make sure to add that to my resume under the "IDGAF" section.

It goes right next to your knitting and puppy whisperer files.

Are you this much of a cry baby all the time? It seems to be the norm for you on here.

Honest question, not poking fun.

YES! The kid has a gaping hatchet wound between his legs that constantly bleeds all over the place. Everyone has tried to have fun with the kid joking and having fun with him but he refuses to lighten up. We've been waiting for his balls to drop and start racing too, but apparently they are his ovaries and rather regurgitate his often wrong tech info he gets from SVTP.

Who's crying? Because I call out Steve for being a dick for no reason, it's labeled as crying? Simply because I act different than the rest of you I get hazed. Same old shit, different day. Dealt with this in high school, I can deal with it now. People always like to poke fun at the guy that doesn't follow the crowd. Always have to prove they are some badass by belittling or demeaning another person to make themselves look better instead of treating the other person with respect. That's how I feel.

I still don't see how y'all can tell my emotional state simply by reading text. You read something in the tone that you want to read it and that's it. No one can change your mind. Then you just run with it.

Hey woman, go make me a sammich.

I've been dropping the ball on bag chairs recently, need to step up my chair game.



All I really took from this, is that you've been a cry baby since Highschool. LMFAO

It's summertime, we need to get the chairs out again. Good times.

You call me a cry baby, I call you a douche bag. Neither of us know each other, so it is what it is, another person's worthless opinion.

You asked me an honest question, I gave you an honest answer.

You don't know him because you're at home knitting, watching Lifetime and crying with your puppy.

Fuck, even the semi-regular people even know Will. lol

[Grandpa]

This thread is definitely peaking.

-Alex

Trolling thread of the day to pass the time. Kids are playing at the park, don't have shit else to do. lol

[Courtesy Flush]

I enjoyed it.

I thought the whole definition of stock thing was never gonna end.

[blownaltered]

Are you this much of a cry baby all the time? It seems to be the norm for you on here.

Honest question, not poking fun.

Yes he is always like this. Always defensive and overly sensitive.

[Grandpa]

I enjoyed it.

I thought the whole definition of stock thing was never gonna end.

It's one of those topics that can do that. Another one that can do it "what is your definition of a street car". LOL, I've seen that one blow up several times.

[BERT]

I've been dropping the ball on bag chairs recently, need to step up my chair game.






Hell I didn't even have a bag chair 'til the night before TI this year lol


I think Steve needs a new one though :rofl:

[Junkie]

Steve goes through them pretty quickly, its a side effect of being a big fat fuck

[Grandpa]

Hell I didn't even have a bag chair 'til the night before TI this year lol


I think Steve needs a new one though :rofl:

I will keeeeel you.

[Grandpa]

Steve goes through them pretty quickly, its a side effect of being a big fat fuck

GFYM you little skinny lil beanpole!

[Junkie]

GFYM you little skinny lil beanpole!

lol 180 is average. Its my dick thats skinny

[BERT]

Steve goes through them pretty quickly, its a side effect of being a big fat fuck



LMFAO!! I almost spit my protein bar out after reading that

[BERT]

lol 180 is average. Its my dick thats skinny


Poor guy....... or is it poor Lydia? lol

[Junkie]

Luckily she's tiny….yeah thats right! BAM

[Grandpa]

LMFAO!! I almost spit my protein bar out after reading that

That protein bar isn't going to do shit for you in your recliner watching the ball game you lazy fuck!

[BERT]

Luckily she's tiny….yeah thats right! BAM



LMAO nice answer

[Grandpa]

Luckily she's tiny….yeah thats right! BAM

I was waiting for her tiny ass to go flying off that three wheeler on Sunday! lol

[BERT]

That protein bar isn't going to do shit for you in your recliner watching the ball game you lazy fuck!



Don't worry about me. And that's Mr. Lazy Fuck to you

[blownaltered]

All I really took from this, is that you've been a cry baby since Highschool. LMFAO

Best post of the entire thread. :worship:

[STROKD]

If by "a bunch of other shit" you mean supporting mods for the cam, then it's pretty ridiculous to assume someone would only install a cam WITHOUT supporting mods lol.

I mean seriously, who would install an LG G5X3 cam and not upgrade to longtubes, better intake, IM, plugs, tune, full exhaust to take full advantage of the cam? Of course better heads would be optimal but, everything else is pretty necessary to use the cam without it being a monumental waste of money.

-AlexI had a g5x2 with stock exhaust on my FRC...

[Dark Pony]

This got pretty funny LOL. Derek is an easy target, Steve is a fat fuck and we actually talked about changing oil as a mod. I agree with Will...this conversation would be sensational in person. There should be a little more GFY lol.

As for Zeek and I, our schedules have been very conflicting. As like him, IDGAF who I'm racing, I'll do it. If our schedules don't change, we should be able to race next Sunday.

[downtime!]

Jesus, I'm glad this forum is blocked at work. One little comment and 5 damn pages, LOL!

And Will, you know damn well how much difference a tune can make.

When someone takes a C6Z right from the showroom floor, directly to the track, and runs 10.98's, someone give me a call. Until then, Rangers car is still damn fast, but it ain't stock.

[Junkie]

This got pretty funny LOL. Derek is an easy target, Steve is a fat fuck and we actually talked about changing oil as a mod. I agree with Will...this conversation would be sensational in person. There should be a little more GFY lol.

As for Zeek and I, our schedules have been very conflicting. As like him, IDGAF who I'm racing, I'll do it. If our schedules don't change, we should be able to race next Sunday.

Wanna race my cam only vette?

[Grandpa]

Wanna race my cam only vette?

My birthday is coming up and you have one of my dream cars. I want to drive it! The Viper was fun to drive, but the Z.....*drooooooool*

[Zeek]

My birthday is coming up and you have one of my dream cars. I want to drive it! The Viper was fun to drive, but the Z.....*drooooooool*

Will, I think Steve just said he'll give head to drive the car.

[Grandpa]

Will, I think Steve just said he'll give head to drive the car.

Damn straight!

[Stangmaster281]

:hmm: Interesting thread to say the least.....

[Junkie]

Getting a blow job ain't gay

[Zeek]

Getting a blow job ain't gay

But giving one is!!!!

[Dark Pony]

But giving one is!!!!

This...lol

As I previously stated...Steve is a nut swinger hahaha

[Grandpa]

May 22nd and the ZR1 is still one of the baddest factory cars ever. I <3 them!

[Grandpa]

This...lol

As I previously stated...Steve is a nut swinger hahaha

Hater. :yourself:

[Dominic Toretto]

Trolling thread of the day to pass the time. Kids are playing at the park, don't have shit else to do. lol

At least you're honest.

I had a g5x2 with stock exhaust on my FRC...

Part of the equation was off with that setup then.

-Alex

[Dark Pony]

Lol

[BERT]

So...... we've learned that Will is wiling to receive a bj from Steve and Steve is willing to give a bj to Will.

"what is the world coming to?"

[blownaltered]

So...... we've learned that Will is wiling to receive a bj from Steve and Steve is willing to give a bj to Will.

"what is the world coming to?"

It sucks

[Grandpa]

So...... we've learned that Will is wiling to receive a bj from Steve and Steve is willing to give a bj to Will.

"what is the world coming to?"

I sense some jealousy..

[BERT]

I sense some jealousy..



Depends on how good Will says you are

[STROKD]

At least you're honest.



Part of the equation was off with that setup then.

-Alex

cam made about as much power as headers only, but the lope sounded better than the loud drone... that and I couldnt find GOOD headers for cheap, and I knew I wasnt keeping the car, so I said f them. lol...

[Dominic Toretto]

cam made about as much power as headers only, but the lope sounded better than the loud drone... that and I couldnt find GOOD headers for cheap, and I knew I wasnt keeping the car, so I said f them. lol...

Well hey, in that case it makes sense then if you didn't plan on keeping the car.

-Alex

[Emwun Garand]

+rep for most of you. What a great read.