Is february/march a bad time or are mustangs always like this?

[garner]

Well after hearing tons of commercials for the local ford/hyundai/vw/mitsubishi dealer(where I bought my stang) I decided to see what deals they had just because. Turns out they have 2013 f150 for up to $10k off and genesis sedan for up to $9k off. Well decided to see what they would offer me since they always brag about best trade in in town(which was true with my last truck)

Well they only offered me $22k, but it was a BS appraisal. Car never left the parking spot, salesman just went in the back and played on nada with one of the managers I guess. He refused to show me any numbers, saying it was $22k firm for trade and only $5k rebates for the f150. Guess he doesn't want a second commission check from us. It really shocked me cause on my ram they offered nada plus $2k, or nada trade and x plan pricing for the stang.

So on the way home from there, I dropped by the local GMC dealer to see what they would offer. They said $20k bought outright or they could possibly match the $22k on trade. Manager said wheels were dirty, exhaust was too loud(it's going back to stock if traded), and engine bay looked like crap(none of the engine/coil covers are on.)

Is this just a bad time of the year for trading in stangs or is it just the way stangs are?

$20-22k seems ridiculous for a 2014 5.0 with 8,300 miles on it. Especially since NADA ranges from $23kish(rough trade)-$26kish(clean trade) for the 2013 model.

[Zeek]

I got $23k for my base 2013 Gt with 23k miles. I traded for a new f150 that was back in October.

[Darkhelmet22]

I got offered 23k for my 13 premium recaro/brembo car. 12k miles. Sucks.

[re-rx7]

Resale on stangs suck.

[STROKD]

Why do you want to trade it for a Genesis or a truck? Lmfao. Are you getting married or building a house?

[Dominic Toretto]

It's not a collector car. It's not a rare car. It's not a special car. It's a Mustang and the economy sucks as it is. There's no demand.

-Alex

[garner]

And I was told my rams had bad resale. This is worse lol. Oh well, I like the car so it's all good

Strokd- neither of those

But I'm gonna go to the Hyundai side of the dealer in the morning and see how much they offer(they were the ones that gave me nada+2k on my ram). This oughta be interesting lol

[Grandpa]

Why does your car look like crap with only 8300 miles?

[garner]

Why does your car look like crap with only 8300 miles?

Huh?

[Grandpa]

Huh?

You said yourself in your post your engine bay looks like crap.

[garner]

I said the manager said the engine bay looks like crap. I guess he doesn't like the fact that all the engine cover and coil covers aren't in there

Edit: I'm about to throw all the engine bay pieces back on, and clean it up before I take it to the Hyundai dealer tomorrow

[STROKD]

I still dont know why you are trading it for a Hyndai. You are doing it wrong.

[garner]

What's wrong with a Hyundai? And I'm doing what wrong?

[STROKD]

What's wrong with a Hyundai? And I'm doing what wrong?

Trading a bad ass Mustang for anything Asian is just wrong... lol

[Dominic Toretto]

Trading a bad ass Mustang for anything Asian is just wrong... lol

Because Supras and GTRs are lame compared to Mustangs lol.

-Alex

[DirtyD]

I said the manager said the engine bay looks like crap. I guess he doesn't like the fact that all the engine cover and coil covers aren't in there

Edit: I'm about to throw all the engine bay pieces back on, and clean it up before I take it to the Hyundai dealer tomorrow
If you aren't going to trade the car, why are you wasting your time doing all this? Just for shits and giggles?

[Zeek]

They probably don't give a crap about the 2014s because the 2015s and new body is about to come out and kill 2014s values.

[TwoQuack]

Garner,
It's not just Mustangs, it's ANY car to trade in. I used to own a used car dealership and worked at several new car lots.

Trade ins are a huge profit center for dealerships. Behind your back they'll use terms such as P.O.S. if it's in bad condition and "took your head off" if they get your car at a low price.

Some people will argue the tax savings, but this doesn't compare to selling the car outright to a private buyer. You'll still come out way ahead selling privately. People who don't have patience to do it always take a bath on trade ins.

Do yourself a favor and put it back to original as much as possible and then post it on Craigs to sell to a private buyer. It'll take longer but will be worth it. Any modded looking car people think you drove the piss out of it and mentally it loses value.

[TwoQuack]

One more thing, if you have a private buyer and already identified the new car you want, you can go to the dealership and process the transaction there. You still get the tax savings and the private buyer pays the higher retail used price for your car which is applied to the new car you buy. You get the best of both that way.

[garner]

If you aren't going to trade the car, why are you wasting your time doing all this? Just for shits and giggles?

I may trade. People around here are color blind I swear lol. But at these values, I'll just wait for the next color blind person to total it

They probably don't give a crap about the 2014s because the 2015s and new body is about to come out and kill 2014s values.

I completely forgot about the 2015 coming out

[STROKD]

Because Supras and GTRs are lame compared to Mustangs lol.

-Alex

Dude, hes at a fucken Hyndai dealer... im pretty sure neither of those cars exist on a Hyndai lot.

[DirtyD]

I may trade. People around here are color blind I swear lol. But at these values, I'll just wait for the next color blind person to total it



I completely forgot about the 2015 coming out
What does people being color blind have to do with trading in a car? Why did you buy it in the first place?

[Dominic Toretto]

Dude, hes at a fucken Hyndai dealer... im pretty sure neither of those cars exist on a Hyndai lot.

See your quote below :hmm:

Trading a bad ass Mustang for anything Asian is just wrong... lol

-Alex

[STROKD]

See your quote below :hmm:



-Alex

Im not a ricer bro, Id keep a 25 k mustang over paying 100 for a gtr. Id love a Supra but they are over inflated price wise imo too.

Again, hes at a Hyndai dealer, they very likely dont have a gtr and if they did, unlikely hes buying one at 19. Yes my boss bought his 17 year old son one, but my boss isnt on here complaining about 2 to 3 grand difference on a trade in either.

You love to make arguements for the sake of it, so yes I left that one open for ya. Good job, I owe you a cookie.

[BERT]

Must be tough being a teenager these days

[Darkhelmet22]

Must be tough being a teenager these days

Must be....

I had an 89 escort when I started driving, couldn't imagine what I would done with something like a boss at 17. LOL

[1andonlywhitie]

Trade ins are a huge profit center for dealerships. Behind your back they'll use terms such as P.O.S. if it's in bad condition and "took your head off" if they get your car at a low price.

It is a business, we need to make money somewhere but that's not always the case lol... I sell used cars and man, it's tough making money when you're buried in the car. I wish our dealership was better at getting trades at a good price.

I've flicked through this thread, OP, what are you looking for exactly?

[zsommer79]

If you are worried about resale/trade-in you should have never bought a car. Trucks hold their value because even if its a toy for you a couple years down the road its still valuable to someone to use for work. I drove my last Raptor for a year and put 14k miles on it paid 48,500 OTD and got 47,500 back on trade.

[DirtyD]

If you are worried about resale/trade-in you should have never bought a car. Trucks hold their value because even if its a toy for you a couple years down the road its still valuable to someone to use for work. I drove my last Raptor for a year and put 14k miles on it paid 48,500 OTD and got 47,500 back on trade.


That also helps because it a specialty vehicle too

[zsommer79]

That also helps because it a specialty vehicle too

Yeah people get all retarded when it comes to Raptors, they are nice trucks but they aren't the greatest thing ever. I would take an F250 powerstroke with a Carli suspension over a Raptor anyday.

[DirtyD]

Yeah people get all retarded when it comes to Raptors, they are nice trucks but they aren't the greatest thing ever. I would take an F250 powerstroke with a Carli suspension over a Raptor anyday.
Carli. Mmmmmm

[re-rx7]

Does tat suspension come with warranty? See that's why the raptor is a big deal.

[DirtyD]

Does tat suspension come with warranty? See that's why the raptor is a big deal.
Raptors don't have Carli suspensions. Carli is an aftermarket company. Fox & SVT provide the Raptor factory suspension

[Dominic Toretto]

Im not a ricer bro, Id keep a 25 k mustang over paying 100 for a gtr. Id love a Supra but they are over inflated price wise imo too.

Again, hes at a Hyndai dealer, they very likely dont have a gtr and if they did, unlikely hes buying one at 19. Yes my boss bought his 17 year old son one, but my boss isnt on here complaining about 2 to 3 grand difference on a trade in either.

You love to make arguements for the sake of it, so yes I left that one open for ya. Good job, I owe you a cookie.

I think you are confused about what the generally accepted definition of ricer is. Especially since I was speaking about GTRs and Supras.

Don't want a cookie but, I'll take an internetz.

-Alex

[zsommer79]

Does tat suspension come with warranty? See that's why the raptor is a big deal.

Yeah real big deal that's why so many people upgrade their suspension on the Raptor, cause it was so good from the factory. Do a search sometime for bent frames and wheel hop.

[DirtyD]

The OE Raptor suspension is good for cruising some washboard roads, with a few small jumps, i.e. maybe a few inches off the ground. If you really want to use the truck as it was designed, ditch the factory suspension.

I really want to see what that Raptor that Tanner Faust drove for Top Gear looked like after he was done thrashing on it...

[zsommer79]

I really want to see what that Raptor that Tanner Faust drove for Top Gear looked like after he was done thrashing on it...

Was that one where he got pulled over for running the exhaust cut outs open in town?

[DirtyD]

Was that one where he got pulled over for running the exhaust cut outs open in town?
Yeah. The Hennessey Raptor.

[STROKD]

I think you are confused about what the generally accepted definition of ricer is. Especially since I was speaking about GTRs and Supras.

Don't want a cookie but, I'll take an internetz.

-Alex

I think your whole life is confused, but thats cool. :)

[Crimson600+HP]

Funny, when I traded my 2013 V6 Premium Performance Package in on my current car, I was given a trade in value of $23K. That car had 13K miles on it too. My thing is I never go in to a dealer talking about a trade in. I fight them for a great price on the car I want, agree on that, then mention at the end that I have a trade in.

Buying a car IMO is easy. If you focus on dealer inventory, you can see how long a car has been sitting on the lot. Any new car, turn around should be less than a month. Any more time than that, dealers get desperate to sell that individual vehicle. In my case, I hated red cars, but a '13 Premium Brembo GT with Recaros and no other options (most people want all the goodies, not just the go fast ones) was on the lot for almost 2 months. I sat down with a salesmen, gave him the VIN, and told him I had a loan already approved and I know this car is a hard sell...give me your best price. Go into a dealer armed and you will get it more of your way.

[1andonlywhitie]

Go into a dealer armed and you will get it more of your way.

Either armed with all the info OR if you don't know how the deal will go down at least be straight up and tell us what you're trying to do. As a car salesman it's infinitely frustrating to try and pull the info out of a customer where if they had just told me straight up what they wanted it would have been a faster and easier process..

I love the customers that say what they want, what they don't want and how much they want to spend (either overall or monthly). THOSE are the good customers...

[re-rx7]

Yeah real big deal that's why so many people upgrade their suspension on the Raptor, cause it was so good from the factory. Do a search sometime for bent frames and wheel hop.

The OE Raptor suspension is good for cruising some washboard roads, with a few small jumps, i.e. maybe a few inches off the ground. If you really want to use the truck as it was designed, ditch the factory suspension.

I really want to see what that Raptor that Tanner Faust drove for Top Gear looked like after he was done thrashing on it...

YAll really think a truck from the factory would be designed to jump 10 ft jumps and such? The truck would be useless on regular hwy and gas mielage would suffer even more. I like the truck the way it is. Good road manners and the ability to do 99% of the stuff most people like to do.

[re-rx7]

I think you are confused about what the generally accepted definition of ricer is. Especially since I was speaking about GTRs and Supras.

Don't want a cookie but, I'll take an internetz.

-Alex

I agree. If a 1500 whp supra is a ricer then the mustang is the gay.

[zsommer79]

YAll really think a truck from the factory would be designed to jump 10 ft jumps and such? The truck would be useless on regular hwy and gas mielage would suffer even more. I like the truck the way it is. Good road manners and the ability to do 99% of the stuff most people like to do.

The frames weren't being bent by 10 ft jumps, G-ing out and bump stop placement were the cause. Bet I could bend the frame on a 2010-12 model going 30mph, Ford quietly added frame reinforcement 2013+. Funny thing is I upgraded my suspension and gas mileage wasn't affected and it actually rode better on the hwy.

[re-rx7]

The frames weren't being bent by 10 ft jumps, G-ing out and bump stop placement were the cause. Bet I could bend the frame on a 2010-12 model going 30mph, Ford quietly added frame reinforcement 2013+. Funny thing is I upgraded my suspension and gas mileage wasn't affected and it actually rode better on the hwy.

Did you raise it any? Going 30 mph over what kind of terrain?

[DirtyD]

YAll really think a truck from the factory would be designed to jump 10 ft jumps and such? The truck would be useless on regular hwy and gas mielage would suffer even more. I like the truck the way it is. Good road manners and the ability to do 99% of the stuff most people like to do.
I'm not even going to waste my time responding to this...

[re-rx7]

I'm not even going to waste my time responding to this...

:fuckyea:

[DirtyD]

:fuckyea:
LOL. I honestly completely forgot what I had said. Just reread it. Now I will contradict myself. So here is goes.

Ford didn't build the truck to be a straight highway/asphalt queen. But unfortunately, and I'm sure they knew that it would, that's what 90% of the Raptors are. Not many are used for what they were designed for. However, it wasn't designed to go out and compete in the Baja 1000 either. The suspension has it's limits, but they are more than a normal 4x4 F-150 can handle.

I think Ford entered the Raptor project to tackle a different challenge. They wanted to build something that had both street and offroad manners that the typical 4x4 F-150 couldn't handle. They probably didn't plan on it becoming such a huge hit, which is why they can't keep up with demand.

My comments earlier were a little exaggerated though. Definitely exaggerated. We know it can handle more than a couple of inches on a jump, but it depends on how it lands on really what it can withstand.

[re-rx7]

LOL. I honestly completely forgot what I had said. Just reread it. Now I will contradict myself. So here is goes.

Ford didn't build the truck to be a straight highway/asphalt queen. But unfortunately, and I'm sure they knew that it would, that's what 90% of the Raptors are. Not many are used for what they were designed for. However, it wasn't designed to go out and compete in the Baja 1000 either. The suspension has it's limits, but they are more than a normal 4x4 F-150 can handle.

I think Ford entered the Raptor project to tackle a different challenge. They wanted to build something that had both street and offroad manners that the typical 4x4 F-150 couldn't handle. They probably didn't plan on it becoming such a huge hit, which is why they can't keep up with demand.

My comments earlier were a little exaggerated though. Definitely exaggerated. We know it can handle more than a couple of inches on a jump, but it depends on how it lands on really what it can withstand.

Great Post. I think back to that jackass jumping one at Rednecks with Paychecks. The truck competed in the BAja and finished I think its capable of that but Jumping and rock crawling not so much. S/n Ford snuck a Eco boost 2 into a Baja style race to test durabilty. They drove it there took out the Plexiglass ran it and the drove it home. :licklips:

[zsommer79]

Did you raise it any? Going 30 mph over what kind of terrain?

Why would anyone raise a Raptor, its all about wheel travel and keeping your center of gravity down.

The terrain doesn't matter much, I could do it on a city street. All you need is a nice dip that preloads the hell out of the front and as it comes up out it basically acts like a lever slamming the rear end down hard enough to push the bumpstops into the frame.