Getting mods Today!

[Soulowd]

Hey fellas just thought i would share that I dropped the 11' 5.0 off today to get JBA longtubes and offroad X pipe put on. I installed my JLT CAI last night and was very impressed. After today I should have the Dyno sheet to what im looking at after all the mods are installed...Any guesses on What the HP/TQ will be??? Will post the results hopefully tonight.

[Dominic Toretto]

Manual or auto?

-Alex

[Soulowd]

Manual

[Dominic Toretto]

389/375

-Alex

[Bacadiesel]

Cool, let us know the results. I will have the same mods in about 2 weeks.

[Grandpa]

389/375

-Alex

My car made that stock.

[Dominic Toretto]

My car made that stock.

I've seen a few do that after tune and O/R X. Also going to depend on the tune, dyno etc.

-Alex

[46Tbird]

My car made that stock.

So did mine. 390/371, stone stock

[BERT]

So did mine. 390/371, stone stock


Is this different than bone stock?

[five.slow]

419/386

[five.slow]

hang on what type of dyno? is mustang dyno 389/374

[Soulowd]

Alright results are in 388 rwhp! I was hoping for 380 or higher. Gearheads treated me right again. Im back on the bandwagon for those guys. Thanks Matt and Travis. Also, as far as a stock GT making 390+ to the rear wheels??? Id like to see that.

[five.slow]

ummmm.... i was at 417/39x with jlt, long tubes w/o cats and mufflers...aed tuned. dyno jet in 80 degree weater at about the same DA. but then again dynos are just a tool to use to get the car running good. your 388 might have beat my 417 on the track.

gearheads tuned my lightning an it ran pretty good, ran better with the amazon tune but not by much at all.

[Soulowd]

ummmm.... i was at 417/39x with jlt, long tubes w/o cats and mufflers...aed tuned. dyno jet in 80 degree weater at about the same DA. but then again dynos are just a tool to use to get the car running good. your 388 might have beat my 417 on the track.

gearheads tuned my lightning an it ran pretty good, ran better with the amazon tune but not by much at all.

Yeah Ive heard good things about AED Tunes. I havent done a dyno tune yet running low on funds after that pop...Trying to decide weather to use Gearheads or Truestreet in Mckinney. Also, I still have the stock mufflers not that it makes much of a difference HP wise but im thinking about going with Flowmaster Outlaws.

[re-rx7]

I hope that was at least a mustang dyno. Those numbers sound really low.

[Soulowd]

I hope that was at least a mustang dyno. Those numbers sound really low.

What do you mean a mustang dyno? The car is not tuned if thats what you mean...

[Futwa]

What do you mean a mustang dyno? The car is not tuned if thats what you mean...


Mustang is the brand of the Dyno, the other major dyno used is Dynojet. IIRC Dynojets read higher than the mustang brand given the same conditions, car, etc..

[Dan12GT]

What do you mean a mustang dyno? The car is not tuned if thats what you mean...

Wow not tuned? I would get it tuned ASAP one to improve the efficiency of the mods you have invested in and two to be safe! You'll prob be over 400whp with a tune.

[Soulowd]

I hope that was at least a mustang dyno. Those numbers sound really low.

it says dyno jet on the top of the page...However I dont see how those numbers are low...Reason being ford says 412 to the crank so minus 15% cause its a manual so typical results to the rear wheels would be somewhere between 350-360 on avg. JLT CAI say typical results 24-30rwhp and JBA LT's typical results are 17 rwhp based off of an article where they compared 7 of the top name brand Longtubes. Add all that up and I should be 391-407 with a tune...As soon as I get a tune im there or higher. Am i wrong here???

[Soulowd]

however i am a little concerned about the torque numbers...they do seem a bit lower than I expected...I just need to get it over to Truestreet in Mckinney and let them do their thing.

[downtime!]

Last time I checked, JLT doesn't make a CAI that will work without a tune. Without a tune, your car shouldn't even start, much less make a pull.

Nevermind, I see in your sig that you have an SCT tune in there. Canned tunes are OK, but a custom tune should yield you a bit more power

Just for reference, my car, with the same mods as yours, made 435/400 after Gearheads worked their tuning magic.

[Soulowd]

Last time I checked, JLT doesn't make a CAI that will work without a tune. Without a tune, your car shouldn't even start, much less make a pull.

Nevermind, I see in your sig that you have an SCT tune in there. Canned tunes are OK, but a custom tune should yield you a bit more power

Just for reference, my car, with the same mods as yours, made 435/400 after Gearheads worked their tuning magic.

Yeah I do have the basic sct tune but by tuned I meant actual dyno tune. I don't know I wasn't there when gearheads dyno'd the car so now I'm wondering what the hell

[re-rx7]

Also you can't sljust add what each part makes and total it up and say it should add 40whp. it doesn't work like that. Most cars with those mods make 415-430.

[Soulowd]

Also you can't sljust add what each part makes and total it up and say it should add 40whp. it doesn't work like that. Most cars with those mods make 415-430.

I understand that each car will make different results...but saying that you can't add up avg results to get a baseline is just not true. I am new to the coyote engine but I am by no means a newb to the mustang realm.

[re-rx7]

I understand that each car will make different results...but saying that you can't add up avg results to get a baseline is just not true. I am new to the coyote engine but I am by no means a newb to the mustang realm.
Ok....

[downtime!]

The CAI will be worth, at the most, 7-8hp, the gains come mainly from the tune. The long tubes were worth 15 on mine, and I regretted deleting the cats almost instantly. Since my car was brand new when we started, I had a two year inspection sticker, but after that ran out, it was a major PITA to get the car inspected. Even after replacing the cats, the car was nowhere near passing, so in the end, I did what I usually do in these situations, threw cash at it. The factory headers and cats are amazingly efficient, as is the factory air box. Bone stock, with just a tune from VMP, I ran 12 flats at 116. Mid 11's are obtainable through nothing more than a tune and suspension work, and looking back, I wish I would never had the long tubes installed.

[DirtyD]

You had issues getting inspected? I guess I will find out in July if I can pass inspection on mine or not.

Gearheads dyno I think reads really low compared to other dynos in the area.

[five.slow]

they could have their correcton factor off? did they give you a corrected or STD dyno graph? shaun was screwing with the dyno to show me how people can make a car look like it makes WAY more power by just messing with a few settings. my car made 727 with the paxton with a STD dyno but when he flipped it to a corrected graph it was like 760 or something like that.


oh and for the record if my car would start and run with a STOCK tune with ID1000s and paxton im sure the JLT would start too. it didnt idle for shit and it was ONLY idle no driving but it did start.

[Soulowd]

You had issues getting inspected? I guess I will find out in July if I can pass inspection on mine or not.

Gearheads dyno I think reads really low compared to other dynos in the area.

Maybe this is why they are only charging 40$ for dyno lol oh well I'll find out when I take it true street for dyno tune

[re-rx7]

Reading low has nothing to do with the price lol. There are diff types of dynos all read different.

[Soulowd]

Reading low has nothing to do with the price lol. There are diff types of dynos all read different.

Just a joke

[GTOphil]

Who owns TrueStreet?

I have a friend who owns a performance shop in DFW but I don't know ANYTHING about his Ford guy.

What can y'all say about TS? I want a custom tune. (Bama right now)

[Soulowd]

GTO I have done some research and a lot of friends and members have said true street in McKinney are pretty damn good. I talk with Tim there and he said that he will stay after hours to help work us (dfw5.0's members) into their schedule. The typical 400$ is what they charge if you already have your own sct tuner.

[DirtyD]

My car dynoed 387/375 STD in stock form. So there is no doubt that Gearheads dyno reads low. And I don't know why it does, or why they keep it reading low.

[toomnymods]

GTO I have done some research and a lot of friends and members have said true street in McKinney are pretty damn good. I talk with Tim there and he said that he will stay after hours to help work us (dfw5.0's members) into their schedule. The typical 400$ is what they charge if you already have your own sct tuner.

i'd much whether pay 250.00 for a aed tune that has your car actually on the street being ran in it's environment than a 400.00 dyno tune..

[toomnymods]

My car dynoed 387/375 STD in stock form. So there is no doubt that Gearheads dyno reads low. And I don't know why it does, or why they keep it reading low.

before i had headers on mine i only read 398/377tq from gearheads..
here is my dynograph..
mods at the time where bama tune, jlt cai, and borla catback

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv55/Toomnymods/2014%20Mustang%20GT/D513ABDB-6092-48A6-B936-A30026992B25_zpsppxpvvbd.jpg (http://s669.photobucket.com/user/Toomnymods/media/2014%20Mustang%20GT/D513ABDB-6092-48A6-B936-A30026992B25_zpsppxpvvbd.jpg.html)

[Soulowd]

i'd much whether pay 250.00 for a aed tune that has your car actually on the street being ran in it's environment than a 400.00 dyno tune..

Good point.

[Soulowd]

I bet I could go to different dynos all over town and get different numbers at each one. They could be corrected numbers, manipulated, SAE, STD ect. But for the ppl saying they are 400+ stock or 440 with just a CAI I'm gonna have to pass on believing that.

[DirtyD]

I bet I could go to different dynos all over town and get different numbers at each one. They could be corrected numbers, manipulated, SAE, STD ect. But for the ppl saying they are 400+ stock or 440 with just a CAI I'm gonna have to pass on believing that.


But then again you also "aren't" making the power that you should, at least via dyno. This is why I finally understand why people don't need to get caught up in dyno numbers. For the mods you have, you should be 410-415 easy.

[GTOphil]

i'd much whether pay 250.00 for a aed tune that has your car actually on the street being ran in it's environment than a 400.00 dyno tune..

I don't know anything about AED.

[Grandpa]

Who owns TrueStreet?

I have a friend who owns a performance shop in DFW but I don't know ANYTHING about his Ford guy.

What can y'all say about TS? I want a custom tune. (Bama right now)

Clint and Sean own TrueStreet Motorsports. I have known them both for many years and both are truly stand up guys and most importantly they are hot rod guys themselves who understand how important cars are to their customers. Being car guys themselves, they get it. They understand what we are all looking for when it comes to performance AND customer service. Most shops you only get one or the other to where at TS they go out of their way to provide both cuz they have been there themselves in previous years getting the same run around and frustration we have all dealt with at one time or another.

My car was tuned by TS and it runs flawlessly. With only a H pipe and a tune my car made 419/400 and not a single problem with it.

This subject of email tunes vs dyno tunes has been covered many times. In my opinion, you get what you pay for. The problem I have have with email/remote tunes is the risk you are taking doing unmonitored pulls that could cause damage before the final tune. In addition to that, with email/remote tunes from big tuners like Lund/AED/BBR etc, is that they are so busy they are now farming out their tunes to other people and God only knows who your car is really being tuned by.

With an in house tune, it's being done live on the spot and being monitored live on the dyno as the pulls are happening where damage can be prevented.

[GTOphil]

Clint and Sean own TrueStreet Motorsports. I have known them both for many years and both are truly stand up guys and most importantly they are hot rod guys themselves who understand how important cars are to their customers. Being car guys themselves, they get it. They understand what we are all looking for when it comes to performance AND customer service. Most shops you only get one or the other to where at TS they go out of their way to provide both cuz they have been there themselves in previous years getting the same run around and frustration we have all dealt with at one time or another.

My car was tuned by TS and it runs flawlessly. With only a H pipe and a tune my car made 419/400 and not a single problem with it.

This subject of email tunes vs dyno tunes has been covered many times. In my opinion, you get what you pay for. The problem I have have with email/remote tunes is the risk you are taking doing unmonitored pulls that could cause damage before the final tune. In addition to that, with email/remote tunes from big tuners like Lund/AED/BBR etc, is that they are so busy they are now farming out their tunes to other people and God only knows who your car is really being tuned by.

With an in house tune, it's being done live on the spot and being monitored live on the dyno as the pulls are happening where damage can be prevented.

Oh I agree, I completely understand the email vs dyno tune. My previous car was dyno-tuned multiple times at another performance shop in DFW. The owner is a friend of mine and I'm sure he wouldn't love me going to somebody else...but they seem to cater more to LS and Mopars. The guy that does their LS tuning doesn't do their Ford tuning.

That's why I was asking about TS because I've heard good things about their Ford work. I will be getting a custom tune this year; I've just got a Bama tune for the time being. I'm stock (axle back) so I assume it's safe- although I know it's conservative.

Thanks.

[re-rx7]

The CAI will be worth, at the most, 7-8hp, the gains come mainly from the tune. The long tubes were worth 15 on mine, and I regretted deleting the cats almost instantly. Since my car was brand new when we started, I had a two year inspection sticker, but after that ran out, it was a major PITA to get the car inspected. Even after replacing the cats, the car was nowhere near passing, so in the end, I did what I usually do in these situations, threw cash at it. The factory headers and cats are amazingly efficient, as is the factory air box. Bone stock, with just a tune from VMP, I ran 12 flats at 116. Mid 11's are obtainable through nothing more than a tune and suspension work, and looking back, I wish I would never had the long tubes installed.

Great post as Ive really been considering HF H instead of a O/R H. Was the smell bad or was it just the fact of noise or Inspection?

[Soulowd]

Clint and Sean own TrueStreet Motorsports. I have known them both for many years and both are truly stand up guys and most importantly they are hot rod guys themselves who understand how important cars are to their customers. Being car guys themselves, they get it. They understand what we are all looking for when it comes to performance AND customer service. Most shops you only get one or the other to where at TS they go out of their way to provide both cuz they have been there themselves in previous years getting the same run around and frustration we have all dealt with at one time or another.

My car was tuned by TS and it runs flawlessly. With only a H pipe and a tune my car made 419/400 and not a single problem with it.

This subject of email tunes vs dyno tunes has been covered many times. In my opinion, you get what you pay for. The problem I have have with email/remote tunes is the risk you are taking doing unmonitored pulls that could cause damage before the final tune. In addition to that, with email/remote tunes from big tuners like Lund/AED/BBR etc, is that they are so busy they are now farming out their tunes to other people and God only knows who your car is really being tuned by.

With an in house tune, it's being done live on the spot and being monitored live on the dyno as the pulls are happening where damage can be prevented.


Agreed! I have a tune from BBR but i chose not to use it because i would rather have it done live dyno catering to my car in front of my own eyes. Good Post.

[Soulowd]

Talked with Tim at TS and he said he felt like that was low for a manual 5.0 and those mods. He came up with a few reasons like fuel, I am on 87 octane and he gets the feeling im on a shitty basic tune from SCT on 87 octane...Any ways I am scheduling appt to get in soon for Dyno tune to get it maximized to its full potential.

[Dominic Toretto]

Is a dyno tune going to be as good as a street tune then?

-Alex

[Dominic Toretto]

Talked with Tim at TS and he said he felt like that was low for a manual 5.0 and those mods. He came up with a few reasons like fuel, I am on 87 octane and he gets the feeling im on a shitty basic tune from SCT on 87 octane...Any ways I am scheduling appt to get in soon for Dyno tune to get it maximized to its full potential.

Why are you using 87 octane?

-Alex

[re-rx7]

Is a dyno tune going to be as good as a street tune then?

-Alex

I prefer street tune but thats just me.

[GTOphil]

I personally prefer a dyno tune. A street tune *might* make you more power but I'm always concerned about the tune set up with the temperature that day and hoping it'll adjust appropriately when the weather changes.

I also prefer a dyno tune because they're usually coming from a "shop" and not some guy who might or might not stand behind his work or be available if there are issues.

Are there good street tuning guys? Yep. Are there horrible ones? Oh yeah.

[Grandpa]

I am on 87 octane and he gets the feeling im on a shitty basic tune from SCT on 87 octane...Any ways I am scheduling appt to get in soon for Dyno tune to get it maximized to its full potential.

You will be much happier with a proper dyno tune and using the fuel the car was designed for in the first place.

[Soulowd]

Why are you using 87 octane?

-Alex

I rarely drive the car and 87 was in it when I had the mods done so now I will only use 93.

[Soulowd]

You will be much happier with a proper dyno tune and using the fuel the car was designed for in the first place.

agreed.

[BERT]

You will be much happier with a proper dyno tune and using the fuel the car was designed for in the first place.



The car is designed to use whatever gas you put into it. Nothing says it needs to be 93.


edit: to clarify, I'm talking stock. Don't want to get you going on one of you little rants, Steve

[Dominic Toretto]

...but I'm always concerned about the tune set up with the temperature that day and hoping it'll adjust appropriately when the weather changes.


Don't you have to worry about that with any tune at all including the factory tune? I don't know much on the subject but, would assume any tune would take into account varying weather conditions. Stock, the cars come from Detroit and we have very different weather in Texas.

-Alex

[re-rx7]

Don't you have to worry about that with any tune at all including the factory tune? I don't know much on the subject but, would assume any tune would take into account varying weather conditions. Stock, the cars come from Detroit and we have very different weather in Texas.

-Alex
this.

[Grandpa]

The car is designed to use whatever gas you put into it. Nothing says it needs to be 93.


edit: to clarify, I'm talking stock. Don't want to get you going on one of you little rants, Steve



:snoopfacepalm::lol2:

[BERT]

:snoopfacepalm::lol2:





You know I'm right

[Grandpa]

You know I'm right

Nope and I'm not taking the bait. lol

[BERT]

Nope and I'm not taking the bait. If you're looking for Friday drama you can go hang out with the cool kids. lol



I'm talking about coming from the factory stock.

There are cool kids on here?

[Soulowd]

Alright its official I have an appt for Wednesday @ TS. Man you guys will have to bare with me on all this tuner $hit. I have been doing fox body stangs since i was 16 which was 17 years ago and its kinda new to me. Whatever happened to bolt it on and drive it days lol...Anyways Ill get it down just need a lil help. Thanks for all suggestions though helps a lot.

[BERT]

Alright its official I have an appt for Wednesday @ TS. Man you guys will have to bare with me on all this tuner $hit. I have been doing fox body stangs since i was 16 which was 17 years ago and its kinda new to me. Whatever happened to bolt it on and drive it days lol...Anyways Ill get it down just need a lil help. Thanks for all suggestions though helps a lot.




I'm in the same boat as you. That's the only thing I really don't like about technology, any little thing you do you have to get it tuned

[GTOphil]

I'm in the same boat as you. That's the only thing I really don't like about technology, any little thing you do you have to get it tuned

Not all tuners that'll do it on the street have/use info to get all the real time information of the car.

I'm just saying I've had bad experiences with street vs dyno tunes.

[Grandpa]

I'm talking about coming from the factory stock.

So you don't think the factory knock sensors compensate for it by reducing timing?

[BERT]

So you don't think the factory knock sensors compensate for it by reducing timing?




Yes, which allows you to run 87. Hell, the manual says to run 87

[Grandpa]

Yes, which allows you to run 87. Hell, the manual says to run 87

Perhaps I should have clarified my statement a bit further by adding in for "optimal performance". I didn't buy a sports car to reduce its performance level, but that is just me. Carry on.

[re-rx7]

Ecoboost says the samething in manual.

[Dan12GT]

You could always take it else where to get an average with the dyno numbers. Mine bone stock with absolutely nothing on it made 382/360 at HPP and then after Airaid CAI and catback im sitting at consistant 382/385 read from TS's dyno twice at the 2nd numbers.

[re-rx7]

You could always take it else where to get an average with the dyno numbers. Mine bone stock with absolutely nothing on it made 382/360 at HPP and then after Airaid CAI and catback im sitting at consistant 382/385 read from TS's dyno twice at the 2nd numbers.

Car sounded good. I was behind you leaving the meet.

[Dan12GT]

Thanks bud! I like yours too! 11-12 models FTW!

[re-rx7]

11-12 models FTW!

For sure!! You mean Dark ponys car lolololo

[Soulowd]

You could always take it else where to get an average with the dyno numbers. Mine bone stock with absolutely nothing on it made 382/360 at HPP and then after Airaid CAI and catback im sitting at consistant 382/385 read from TS's dyno twice at the 2nd numbers.

Thats interesting Dan. However those wheels look so good man your at 400hp in my mind just as a selection bonus lol

[Dan12GT]

Thats interesting Dan. However those wheels look so good man your at 400hp in my mind just as a selection bonus lol


Lol well thank you Steve! I thought you hated black wheels especially all black wheels like mine. :)

[Soulowd]

Lol well thank you Steve! I thought you hated black wheels especially all black wheels like mine. :)

I have been called a lot of things but never Steve lol

[BERT]

Perhaps I should have clarified my statement a bit further by adding in for "optimal performance". I didn't buy a sports car to reduce its performance level, but that is just me. Carry on.



LOL, yes you should have. I don't race mine every time I drive it. Unlike you, I drive mine every day :D

So I guess I don't really need the extra 10hp that 93 gives me. I know I know, a few cents doesn't really matter but in my head it helps out. I'M POOR!!!!!! Haha

[Dan12GT]

I have been called a lot of things but never Steve lol

LMAO! Sorry bud I was on my phone when I saw the message and I thought you were Steve based on your Avatar pic.

Thanks though!

[Soulowd]

LMAO! Sorry bud I was on my phone when I saw the message and I thought you were Steve based on your Avatar pic.

Thanks though!

all good. guess i need to think of something more original for avatar lol....hmmmm I'll figure it out:)

[Grandpa]

Lol well thank you Steve! I thought you hated black wheels especially all black wheels like mine. :)

You've gone and lost your mind..

LOL, yes you should have. I don't race mine every time I drive it. Unlike you, I drive mine every day :D

So I guess I don't really need the extra 10hp that 93 gives me. I know I know, a few cents doesn't really matter but in my head it helps out. I'M POOR!!!!!! Haha

I'd be crazy to daily my Stang with two little kids. The interior would be trashed from spills from "unspillable" sippy cups and cheerios all over the backseat. My 10th month old is still in a rear facing carseat so that shit wouldn't happen anyways. I've got my truck that they can trash. lol

[Soulowd]

I'd be crazy to daily my Stang with two little kids. The interior would be trashed from spills from "unspillable" sippy cups and cheerios all over the backseat. My 10th month old is still in a rear facing carseat so that shit wouldn't happen anyways. I've got my truck that they can trash. lol[/QUOTE]

lol Amen to that I got a 7 year old daughter who leaves glitter and hello kitty $hit everywhere and thats why my Daily is a Camry.

[BERT]

You've gone and lost your mind..



I'd be crazy to daily my Stang with two little kids. The interior would be trashed from spills from "unspillable" sippy cups and cheerios all over the backseat. My 10th month old is still in a rear facing carseat so that shit wouldn't happen anyways. I've got my truck that they can trash. lol



LMAO, that's understandable. I'm single and have only used the backseat once. I love my car as a daily. Enjoy driving it every day.

[DirtyD]

I carry my 85# yellow lab with me in my car. Take out the front passenger seat for him to sit there....needless to say I have a date with a vacuum.

[Grandpa]

I carry my 85# yellow lab with me in my car. Take out the front passenger seat for him to sit there....needless to say I have a date with a vacuum.

And a shitload of air fresheners..

[Dan12GT]

You've gone and lost your mind..



Yep I have. Been up all night with a pregnant sick wife and burring my head in my Cisco books in the mean time. I am definitely not functioning right... lol

[Dan12GT]

And a shitload of air fresheners..

Ya I'm sure that smells lovely!

[blownaltered]

You've gone and lost your mind..



I'd be crazy to daily my Stang with two little kids. The interior would be trashed from spills from "unspillable" sippy cups and cheerios all over the backseat. My 10th month old is still in a rear facing carseat so that shit wouldn't happen anyways. I've got my truck that they can trash. lol

I find all kinds of shit in the backseat of my truck. I don't remember them having some of the stuff I find. The kids love riding in the mustang but I don't allow food and drinks in it.

[Grandpa]

Yep I have. Been up all night with a pregnant sick wife and burring my head in my Cisco books in the mean time. I am definitely not functioning right... lol

I feel for ya. Done that twice, it's an asswhippin for sure. Might as well get used to it the feeling of being tired now because it's going to be awhile before you sleep regularly again. lol

Ya I'm sure that smells lovely!

:lol:

[DirtyD]

And a shitload of air fresheners..
We ride with the windows down mostly, but even then, the car doesn't smell bad at all. My driver seat probably smells worse from the farts than the entire car smells. :lol:

[Soulowd]

We ride with the windows down mostly, but even then, the car doesn't smell bad at all. My driver seat probably smells worse from the farts than the entire car smells. :lol:

lol I here that. Leather gives a nice echo when I crank A$$ in mine! :)

[KurvStr8nr]

I'd be crazy to daily my Stang with two little kids. The interior would be trashed from spills from "unspillable" sippy cups and cheerios all over the backseat. My 10th month old is still in a rear facing carseat so that shit wouldn't happen anyways. I've got my truck that they can trash. lol

lol Amen to that I got a 7 year old daughter who leaves glitter and hello kitty $hit everywhere and thats why my Daily is a Camry.[/QUOTE]

:party52:
LOL - glad my kids are past that stage (16 & 18 now) the Odyssey and Accord aren't in bad shape, but you can tell kids rode in them - Ha!

[GTOphil]

I don't let my kids eat or drink in my car....except ONCE last year. We went to St. Louis and it's just too far to not let kids have anything. I could have stopped and eaten while we were driving but I don't travel like that- we're only stopping for gas...you better do what you gotta do while I'm stopped.

The wife's truck is where my little trolls live and eat... (8 and almost 7)

[garner]

Talked with Tim at TS and he said he felt like that was low for a manual 5.0 and those mods. He came up with a few reasons like fuel, I am on 87 octane and he gets the feeling im on a shitty basic tune from SCT on 87 octane...Any ways I am scheduling appt to get in soon for Dyno tune to get it maximized to its full potential.

Hmmm going off that I'd guess I'm probably 370ish with an auto on the same dyno, not bad. Fast enough for me

[Soulowd]

Super stoked! Tomorrow is the day I take the 11' to TS to get this $hit ironed out and see what I'm really looking at HP/TQ wise. Will post the new dyno results late tomorrow

[Soulowd]

alright not the news i was hoping for. Went to TS tonight and they started to dyno it and stopped all the sudden. The owner came out and said my air/fuel was waaaayyyy off and 9/10 times this means that cylinder # 8 is about to blow. They said it wasnt there yet but it was a ticking time bomb waiting to happen. I have owned the car for about a month and bought it w/ 14k on 2011. Pisses me off. I am prob just gonna take it back to ford and trade it in on a new one and let them deal with it. What a kick to the Ball$.

[re-rx7]

I don't understand how your afr being lean would mean your engine is about to blow? Maybe Tim can chime in with details.

[Soulowd]

Yeah not sure... they explained it but I would just get it screwed up. But they said the a/f ratio was like 3 whole point off the norm. Said they really didn't want to push it. They were stand up guys and gave me my $$ back. I would go get a compression test to see what's up but I'm just kind of like F&ck it. If its bad enough for them to not want to risk it something gotta be wrong.

[garner]

That may also explain the low power numbers I would think. Hopefully you can get it all sorted out

[Soulowd]

Yeah that's what I'm thinking garner

[re-rx7]

If the af was off why would they just not adjust it? Weird

[Crimson600+HP]

A/F ratios being off is a tuner issue. If the tune was ran too long with A/F's off, then that could cause the #8 to fail. If the mechanic was truly scared about an A/F problem, he should immediately to a compression check of the cylinder. This will tell you if it has failed or is about to fail. If the PCM has been flashed, you are going to have a rough time at various Ford dealerships getting it covered under any type of warranty, if one still exists on your 2011. Sorry to hear this is happening. I know first hand.

[Soulowd]

A/F ratios being off is a tuner issue. If the tune was ran too long with A/F's off, then that could cause the #8 to fail. If the mechanic was truly scared about an A/F problem, he should immediately to a compression check of the cylinder. This will tell you if it has failed or is about to fail. If the PCM has been flashed, you are going to have a rough time at various Ford dealerships getting it covered under any type of warranty, if one still exists on your 2011. Sorry to hear this is happening. I know first hand.

Yeah they said if I wanted to continue that would be their next move but couldnt do it last night. They know that I am a wholesale dealer in the auto industry and thats why they pretty much were saying trade it in (after putting it back to stock) or sell it at the auction. Because I know first the cylinder has to blow up before ford will even consider it and they all but hire a Private Investigator to go through the car with a fine tooth comb. Not worth it. I most likely am going to return it to stock and go get a 14'

[DirtyD]

What tune were you running again, prior to this appt with TS?

[Soulowd]

What tune were you running again, prior to this appt with TS?

Just the sct basic tune.

[Soulowd]

Also if you look at my dyno I posted originally from gearheads the graph is set on max(5) for smoothing out the lines and they are really rough in the higher RPM's thats not norm...Sux that GH doesnt give you the A/F ratio but I know some ppl doing the dyno dont always do AF on the charts. Just sux cause maybe I could have gotten a heads up sooner but it is what it is.

[DirtyD]

Just the sct basic tune.
You were running a canned SCT tune with LTs and an O/R X pipe?

There is your problem. That canned SCT tune isn't meant for much more than a CAI to be run on. You should've gotten a custom tune as soon as you put that X pipe on.

[Soulowd]

You were running a canned SCT tune with LTs and an O/R X pipe?

There is your problem. That canned SCT tune isn't meant for much more than a CAI to be run on. You should've gotten a custom tune as soon as you put that X pipe on.

Man you think GH would have said that when they did the work for me??? So am i really a ticking time bomb at this point?

[Crimson600+HP]

Yeah they said if I wanted to continue that would be their next move but couldnt do it last night. They know that I am a wholesale dealer in the auto industry and thats why they pretty much were saying trade it in (after putting it back to stock) or sell it at the auction. Because I know first the cylinder has to blow up before ford will even consider it and they all but hire a Private Investigator to go through the car with a fine tooth comb. Not worth it. I most likely am going to return it to stock and go get a 14'

Man that sucks, probably best off to get rid of it while you can. That is what I would have done to mine if I could have known it was happening. But mine was a sudden failure vs. one that takes time like the traditional #8 issue. Good luck with getting this resolved.

But for that converstation about buying used vs. new, this is the exact reason why I buy new.

[DirtyD]

Man you think GH would have said that when they did the work for me??? So am i really a ticking time bomb at this point?
Probably so.

[Soulowd]

$hit guys...oh well life happens sometimes. now I have to decide what color I want in the new one lol. so the 13-14's dont seem to have this cylinder 8 failure BS???

[DirtyD]

$hit guys...oh well life happens sometimes. now I have to decide what color I want in the new one lol. so the 13-14's dont seem to have this cylinder 8 failure BS???
It's not an issue with #8, per say. Get a tune from a legitimate tuner, a custom tune, that has been datalogged to ensure accuracy, and you won't have problems.

[Soulowd]

It's not an issue with #8, per say. Get a tune from a legitimate tuner, a custom tune, that has been datalogged to ensure accuracy, and you won't have problems.

Sean said last night it wasnt the SCT tune because I asked him specifically was it me putting on the tune? and he said no. Acted like it was more of a manufacture defect that tended to happen on 2011-2012's at random.

[zsommer79]

I know it's buyer beware but i personally wouldn't be on a forum talking about trading a car in that you know has issues that were caused by modding it.

[Soulowd]

I have worked in the car biz for 10 years and watched as they laughed while screwing ppl out of ridiculous amounts of money. So I wont lose any sleep over trading a car in that may/may not have an issue.

[DirtyD]

Sean said last night it wasnt the SCT tune because I asked him specifically was it me putting on the tune? and he said no. Acted like it was more of a manufacture defect that tended to happen on 2011-2012's at random.
Number #8 comes down to being a combination issue with the tune and a design flaw by Ford. If the car is running too lean, it causes #8 to get hot and pop. So yes, it could be the tune. However, if your car is an early 2011, those were seem to have been more prone to having #8 happen prematurely, from what I remember.

[zsommer79]

I have worked in the car biz for 10 years and watched as they laughed while screwing ppl out of ridiculous amounts of money. So I wont lose any sleep over trading a car in that may/may not have an issue.

Gottcha, it's standard practice to screw people in the car biz so it makes it ok.

[Soulowd]

I just got off the phone with Travis from GH and he wants to look at it. He said he would be extremely surprised if it was hurt. He wants to do a leak down test and see whats throwing the AF off. will let you know ppl.

[Crimson600+HP]

Number #8 comes down to being a combination issue with the tune and a design flaw by Ford. If the car is running too lean, it causes #8 to get hot and pop. So yes, it could be the tune. However, if your car is an early 2011, those were seem to have been more prone to having #8 happen prematurely, from what I remember.

Truth in the sense of a tune running too lean. But this is happening to some cars that have not been modified or tuned at all (especially in the '11-'12 models). It simply comes down to a design flaw. The number 8 cylinder is the first to fire and runs the hottest no matter if you are stock, FI, or nitrous. The placement and design of the stock rings are not well suited for this increased heat which cause some to fail (most likely tolerances and differences in the manufacturing process). Once you add increased HP or a lean tune, it accellerated the process.

I imagine over time, we will see more rings melt due to normal use.

All I say is at least you didn't blow a chunk out of your piston. Good luck.

[re-rx7]

#8 fails because of the coolant flow being restricted. Yes it runs hotter but the coolant getting stuck their does it in. Trading your car in and making it someone else's problem is pretty fucked. The dealer isn't gonna fix it and whoever buys that car is gonna get shafted. Says alot about you.

Also a re-tune is needed for cat deletes unless the check engine light annoys you. The cot only happens on decel.

[DirtyD]

I just got off the phone with Travis from GH and he wants to look at it. He said he would be extremely surprised if it was hurt. He wants to do a leak down test and see whats throwing the AF off. will let you know ppl.
Glad Travis is going to take care of you and check it out.

[Soulowd]

Glad Travis is going to take care of you and check it out.

Yeah Travis has it now. He wouldnt let me return it to stock until he does a leak down test on it. Which is prob best. Keep your fingers crossed and hope he gives me good news.

[GTOphil]

From all I've read (and I'm no expert just spent a lot of time reading) most of the issues with #8 were traced back to two things:

1. Tuners in the very beginning not knowing what they were doing and changing the pcm to cause lean conditions and altering knock sensors.
2. A bad batch of PCMs seemingly put on cars that were built in the middle of 2011. I believe the particular pcm code was: ZFK0

[Soulowd]

Im sure after today Travis will tell me there is a pcm code showing : FUK'D lol

[GTOphil]

I didn't mean a trouble code...but a particular code ON the pcm.

[Soulowd]

ok fellas just got back from GH and Travis said it passed the leak down test with flying colors and he said he drove it and he said the car drives great! I asked him why AF ratio was off so much per TS he said they were either doing something wrong or the JBA headers have been known to throw the AF off. Regardless he said leave it with me and he will Dyno tune it tomorrow and he will fix it but he said there is nothing wrong with the car. So, thats what I did. He is dyno tuning the car tomorrow

[GTOphil]

See that's the kind of thing that worries me...I have NO clue where to take my car when I want to get it dyno tuned.

Some say GH, some say TSM and other have other people they "swear" by. I'd like to take it to my friend's shop but I don't know his Ford guy...plus I know his dyno is notoriously 15-20 low and as much as you "shouldn't" care about dynos it still makes my pee-pee hurt, lol.

[Soulowd]

i here you on that GTO...I mean you saw i was about ready to take a bath and sell a perfectlt good running 5.0 with great miles. Glad Travis came through

[DirtyD]

Awesome to hear! Glad that Travis checked everything out, and hopefully you will have a good tune after it's done.

Was TS doing a tail pipe sniffer during the initial dyno pull? If so, that may be one of the problems why it was reading low.

[TrueStreetMotorSports.com]

This car came in for a tune, we did a base line just like all cars get before we build our custom tune. On the base line pull the car was 15.1 AFR from 2500rpms to 4100rpms so we aborted the run. Checked the data log and it also show 15.1 AFR. Advised the customer that we were uncomfortable tuning the car at this time since we felt the motor might be hurt or will be hurt soon since the car has been run this lean. Coyote motors that see heat of 15.1 AFR for any length of time will have a very good chance of the number 8 problems very soon. We choose not to be a part of it,

Good luck and hope you beat the odds

[Soulowd]

Tim

By no means was I dogging TS at all. If you look above I said, "Those guys are standup guys." I appreciate you guys concern and appreciate you telling me your opinions...However, I literally was about to return this thing to stock and take a bath on it not to deal with this issue. I was Telling GH's to return it to stock and Travis said that he wanted to do a leak down test to see if it was infact hurt at all. He said it passed the leaked down with flying colors and he drove it as well with no issues. Soooooo....

[TrueStreetMotorSports.com]

Tim

By no means was I dogging TS at all. If you look above I said, "Those guys are standup guys." I appreciate you guys concern and appreciate you telling me your opinions...However, I literally was about to return this thing to stock and take a bath on it not to deal with this issue. I was Telling GH's to return it to stock and Travis said that he wanted to do a leak down test to see if it was infact hurt at all. He said it passed the leaked down with flying colors and he drove it as well with no issues. Soooooo....


Glad too hear it, and I promise you if we felt different we would be happy to have tuned your car. We have a different option on what could happen,

Good luck my friend

[Soulowd]

Glad too hear it, and I promise you if we felt different we would be happy to have tuned your car. We have a different option on what could happen,

Good luck my friend

Thanks Buddy and btw stay away from the chinese philly cheese Steak place down the street it def caused failure in my # 8 cylinder lol. Take Care:)

[re-rx7]

This car came in for a tune, we did a base line just like all cars get before we build our custom tune. On the base line pull the car was 15.1 AFR from 2500rpms to 4100rpms so we aborted the run. Checked the data log and it also show 15.1 AFR. Advised the customer that we were uncomfortable tuning the car at this time since we felt the motor might be hurt or will be hurt soon since the car has been run this lean. Coyote motors that see heat of 15.1 AFR for any length of time will have a very good chance of the number 8 problems very soon. We choose not to be a part of it,

Good luck and hope you beat the odds

Now it makes sense. Just because it passed the leak down test doesn't mean that there hasn't been damage to weaken the cyl already.

[Soulowd]

Now it makes sense. Just because it passed the leak down test doesn't mean that there hasn't been damage to weaken the cyl already.

let me ask this...Being what Travis knows and what he has done to mustangs do you think he would volunteer to dyno tune the car and put his reputation on the line if the #8 cylinder was hurt? I seriously doubt it...

[re-rx7]

You would be surprised what people will do to try and not be accountable. I knw that another business would do everything to try and tune a car so they could make money. So Tsm not wanting to even mess with it raises some flags. Let me ask you this....why was it not tuned right the first time? Why were those afrs lean? Why did they let it leave like that?

[Soulowd]

You would be surprised what people will do to try and not be accountable. I knw that another business would do everything to try and tune a car so they could make money. So Tsm not wanting to even mess with it raises some flags. Let me ask you this....why was it not tuned right the first time? Why were those afrs lean? Why did they let it leave like that?

I asked that same question to Travis about well if the car is ok why the AFR's. His response was could be as simple as an o2 sensor, he said that JBA LT's are notorious for running lean until they have been corrected. either way he seem confident that the car was completely fine and that he would have it all corrected after he dyno tunes the car.

[Yagermeister]

re-rx7, IIRC the OP was using a SCT tune so it was not a custom tune. Was the AFR actually lean or was the tailpipe sniffer (which reads a little lean to begin with due to the distance away from the head) using a sensor that hadn't been calibrated for the fuel being used {14.08 instead of 14.64} or hadn't been changed recently since they degrade quickly when using mixed fuels?

Not saying TSM was wrong and GH is right.

What if GH is right and TSM is wrong? Then the red flag I see is that the OP ended up calling TSMs bluff on needing other services to fix his problem that was nonexistent by taking it elsewhere.

What if TSM is right and GH is wrong? Then the OP may be in trouble.

[re-rx7]

Oh I see now. The thread has been confusing. First he had a custom tune then a canned. Lol idk what to believe! I don't think TS offered other services? I'm pretty sure the guy was using 93 and even if the tailpipe sniffer is further out 3 points is a lot

[Soulowd]

Oh I see now. The thread has been confusing. First he ha a custom tune then a canned. Lol idk what to believe!

i def never had a custom tune.

[GTOphil]

Yeah from everything I've read TSM are stand up guys- even giving someone their money back even though they were out time and labor.

I've also read some GREAT things about GearHeads and right now I'm between which one to use.

Regardless...it sounds like the problem could be- the guy was running an email tune with an o/r x pipe and LTs. I personally would never run on an email tune with that extensive of exhaust mods. I hope everything is ok.

[Soulowd]

Thanks man, I hope to report some good news late tomorrow

[re-rx7]

From what I've researched cat deletes a tune isn't needed. Now for the lt's I'm not sure.

[Soulowd]

Just got a call from GH saying car did awesome and is ready to be picked up. Havent got any of the specks yet will let you know when i do.

[Yagermeister]

Thumbs up!

[Dan12GT]

Cool! Very interested to hear how id did / is running.

[Soulowd]

Alright Fellas I just went by GH and talked with Travis...Car is running awesome and he said the LT's were throwing off the AFR but once he corrected the problem he said It dyno tuned perfectly. Its now running at 415 hp/402 Tq. I have the Dyno results scanned into my work computer but its saying file too big to upload so once I get back home to my Mac I can fix it and upload it. A big thanks to Travis and the GH's crew!!!

[re-rx7]

Now that sounds about right. Congrats on getting the power. How does it feel?

[DirtyD]

Alright Fellas I just went by GH and talked with Travis...Car is running awesome and he said the LT's were throwing off the AFR but once he corrected the problem he said It dyno tuned perfectly. Its now running at 415 hp/402 Tq. I have the Dyno results scanned into my work computer but its saying file too big to upload so once I get back home to my Mac I can fix it and upload it. A big thanks to Travis and the GH's crew!!!
That definitely sounds more legit! Congrats!

[toomnymods]

awesome glad it was a simple fix.. goodluck :)

[Soulowd]

Now that sounds about right. Congrats on getting the power. How does it feel?

Feels awesome! but im gonna need to invest in some tires cause I couldnt hook up in 1st and 2nd lol

[GTOphil]

CONGRATS. I'm glad it got worked out...I know you were freaking for a bit.


I wonder what kind of numbers GH would pull out of an almost stock car?

I'm not going all out for power and it already feels great. So I must "suffer" with less until I save up for a s/c...but I'd still like to see what they could do.

Any ideas/suggestions/guesses?

Yes...it's an auto unlike every previous car I've had...but I actually really enjoy it :Moon:

[Soulowd]

Did a screen shot from my phone so you guys can see the results.

[Soulowd]

Can you guys see it or is it distorted?

[GTOphil]

We can read it but we have to turn it sideways.

[Soulowd]

We can read it but we have to turn it sideways.

Lol sorry...I'll post a better one in a bit

[Dominic Toretto]

Man could you imagine ditching this car and then a new member shows up with the same car tuned and running great lol? Congrats though. You'll need to update your sig now. The mods in your sig, the only ones you have correct?

-Alex

[Soulowd]

Ok here is the Dyno that you wont have to break your neck to read

[Soulowd]

Man could you imagine ditching this car and then a new member shows up with the same car tuned and running great lol? Congrats though. You'll need to update your sig now. The mods in your sig, the only ones you have correct?

-Alex

Thanks Alex, yeah im glad Travis talked me off the ledge and ends up being a minor thing. And Sig updated:)

[Grandpa]

Not bad. I made a lil more than that with just an hpipe and TS tune. =)

[Soulowd]

Not bad. I made a lil more than that with just an hpipe and TS tune. =)

hey dont rain on my Parade Steve lol Jk:worthy:

[DirtyD]

Not bad. I made a lil more than that with just an hpipe and TS tune. =)


Inflated numbers. :p

[Grandpa]

Inflated numbers. :p

Tell yourself whatever you feel like to make yourself feel better. Lol

Btw, it made 398/402 Stock. Next time i see ya i will show ya the dyno sheets =)

[DirtyD]

Tell yourself whatever you feel like to make yourself feel better. Lol



Btw, it made 398/402 Stock. Next time i see ya i will show ya the dyno sheets =)


I know it's only numbers, and I'm not trying to start that whole argument again, I'm just saying that out of all the stock dynos I've seen results for, including many from out group, those numbers are even past the factory freak level.

[Dan12GT]

"It's not about how you stand by your numbers, its about how ya drive your car! Remember that!"

[Soulowd]

[QUOTE=DirtyD;63769]I know it's only numbers, and I'm not trying to start that whole argument again, I'm just saying that out of all the stock dynos I've seen results for, including many from out group, those numbers are even past the factory freak level.[/

Man that's def a have to see it to believe it kind of numbers

[Grandpa]

I know it's only numbers, and I'm not trying to start that whole argument again, I'm just saying that out of all the stock dynos I've seen results for, including many from out group, those numbers are even past the factory freak level.

As I said, next time I see ya I'll show ya the sheets. It runs really well for what it is. That's why there was so much to do about when I raced Nic who had several more mods than I did and our cars were very close. No reason for you to think there is any funny business since you know how I feel about it being a turd still. It is what it is. lol

[DirtyD]

As I said, next time I see ya I'll show ya the sheets. It runs really well for what it is. That's why there was so much to do about when I raced Nic who had several more mods than I did and our cars were very close. No reason for you to think there is any funny business since you know how I feel about it being a turd still. It is what it is. lol


We all know that driver mod was needed on one end. Lol

Once the weather warms up, and I get some seat time, maybe we can go at the track?

[Grandpa]

We all know that driver mod was needed on one end. Lol

Once the weather warms up, and I get some seat time, maybe we can go at the track?

Sure. :driver:

[Dominic Toretto]

Man I would love to see what the maximum potential these can do NA since they love to rev. A nice cam, intake manifold and heads(not sure if aftermarket heads are available).

-Alex

[re-rx7]

Man I would love to see what the maximum potential these can do NA since they love to rev. A nice cam, intake manifold and heads(not sure if aftermarket heads are available).

-Alex

Jeff made 520whp na I believe.

[GTOphil]

It just takes more money and I'm afraid driveability would suffer.

$5k in NA??

$5k in blower= at least 550


When I get the money I'm going blower for once..

[Grandpa]

It just takes more money and I'm afraid driveability would suffer.

$5k in NA??

$5k in blower= at least 550


When I get the money I'm going blower for once..
Boost is the best way to go with these cars. Yes these cars can make decent power NA if one was so inclined but its not as good of a return on your money dollar per hp.

[re-rx7]

Boost is the best way to go with these cars. Yes these cars can make decent power NA if one was so inclined but its not as good of a return on your money dollar per hp.

This is true but I bet a 500whp NA 5.0 would be fun lol

[GTOphil]

Boost is the best way to go with these cars. Yes these cars can make decent power NA if one was so inclined but its not as good of a return on your money dollar per hp.

Exactly.

I spent $6k on my GTO (longtubes, mids, axle back, cai, ported t/b, monster level 2 clutch, big cam) and made around 430 (appx. 100 more than stock)

I've spent $650 on this so far (axle back + tuner). With $5,500 I could throw on a Paxton, have it tuned and ride around with at least 550.

Just not worth it anymore for me n/a.

[JDMLOL]

Exactly.



I spent $6k on my GTO (longtubes, mids, axle back, cai, ported t/b, monster level 2 clutch, big cam) and made around 430 (appx. 100 more than stock)




Did you have an ls1 car?

[GTOphil]

Did you have an ls1 car?

LS2- 2006 GTO

The $6k was:

ARH LT's w/ high flow cats- $1300
Mids and axle back- $700ish??
Level 2 Clutch w/lightweight flywheel- $1200
VX cam w/springs,etc- $1300
Ported t/b- $250
CAI- $400
Short throw shifter- $200-$300 (don't really remember)

That plus install/tuning was about $6k.

[Dominic Toretto]

When I price a boosted car, I can't fathom slapping on a blower and calling it a day. Just not me. I always include a forged bottom end. If you're going to put a blower on, why not go all out for maximum potential AND reliability. Driving a boosted car is not fun when you can only do it a few times out of fear of bending rods or destroying pistons. So for me, a real blower setup is going to cost over $8k.

-Alex

[GTOphil]

When I price a boosted car, I can't fathom slapping on a blower and calling it a day. Just not me. I always include a forged bottom end. If you're going to put a blower on, why not go all out for maximum potential AND reliability. Driving a boosted car is not fun when you can only do it a few times out of fear of bending rods or destroying pistons. So for me, a real blower setup is going to cost over $8k.

-Alex

Even if it's $8k-$10k...that's $4k more than I spent on the GTO.

Then you're putting down 600+ with no worries...compared to never hitting that and being afraid your engine will blow if you push the limits n/a.

I don't have a race car, I want the power when I want it, but it doesn't get driven a ton and it doesn't get driven hard. I'll save up the $5k for a blower and then when it's paid off I'll build the motor. :peace:

[re-rx7]

You only made 430 with a ls2 gto with those mods? I know some LS1 motors that have made that with less.

[GTOphil]

You only made 430 with a ls2 gto with those mods? I know some LS1 motors that have made that with less.

It's pretty much on par with others.

stock heads, stock manifold, no porting

They dyno anywhere between 330-350 stock. So cam/LT/cai for 80-100 whp isn't far off. I know plenty of guys that made the same or less.

[Dan12GT]

When I price a boosted car, I can't fathom slapping on a blower and calling it a day. Just not me. I always include a forged bottom end. If you're going to put a blower on, why not go all out for maximum potential AND reliability. Driving a boosted car is not fun when you can only do it a few times out of fear of bending rods or destroying pistons. So for me, a real blower setup is going to cost over $8k.

-Alex

Depends on your end goals. These cars can handle a small amount of boost and with the right tune be fine. I would say you never want to go above 600whp. To be honest I would feel more safe with it around 550. The horror stories we read are when people way over push the motors (we've had a few in our group). Take Josh Bishop or Ryan Knight's cars for good example. They make good power safely and aren't over pushing the motors.

I think a lot of people look at these cars and compare them to the terminators which have around the same amount of power stock. However, they are 2 very different cars. Obviously the terminators have way more potential due to the forged motor.

I'd say if you are trying to go for anything north of 600whp you better start looking into building the motor and full fuel system.

[Dominic Toretto]

Depends on your end goals. These cars can handle a small amount of boost and with the right tune be fine. I would say you never want to go above 600whp. To be honest I would feel more safe with it around 550. The horror stories we read are when people way over push the motors (we've had a few in our group). Take Josh Bishop or Ryan Knight's cars for good example. They make good power safely and aren't over pushing the motors.

I think a lot of people look at these cars and compare them to the terminators which have around the same amount of power stock. However, they are 2 very different cars. Obviously the terminators have way more potential due to the forged motor.

I'd say if you are trying to go for anything north of 600whp you better start looking into building the motor and full fuel system.

From what I have noticed about most people that chase power is that they always want more. So sure, 550 may be impressive for a few months but, then why go through the trouble of then breaking down the engine later and spending more money when it could have been much cheaper to do it the first time? It would be a lot cheaper to build it complete the first time, and if you want 550, go with that for the time being. When that becomes slow, simply increase the fuel delivery, tune and viola, have more power without having to open the engine up a second time.

I have a buddy at work that is debating between a new Evo and a 5.0. He's got a 2014/13 Dodge Dart that he JUST bought and was wanting to mod it for power. I said, why didn't you just buy an actual performance car? He started looking at newer cars and decided between the two mentioned. Now he's planning to take a huge hit on depreciation for his new car for an even newer car, spend all of his tax return plus any other money for a down payment AND have larger payments when he could have saved a ton from just buying the better car the first time. Juss sayin lol.

-Alex

[GTOphil]

From what I have noticed about most people that chase power is that they always want more. So sure, 550 may be impressive for a few months but, then why go through the trouble of then breaking down the engine later and spending more money when it could have been much cheaper to do it the first time? It would be a lot cheaper to build it complete the first time, and if you want 550, go with that for the time being. When that becomes slow, simply increase the fuel delivery, tune and viola, have more power without having to open the engine up a second time.

I have a buddy at work that is debating between a new Evo and a 5.0. He's got a 2014/13 Dodge Dart that he JUST bought and was wanting to mod it for power. I said, why didn't you just buy an actual performance car? He started looking at newer cars and decided between the two mentioned. Now he's planning to take a huge hit on depreciation for his new car for an even newer car, spend all of his tax return plus any other money for a down payment AND have larger payments when he could have saved a ton from just buying the better car the first time. Juss sayin lol.

-Alex

I think we see where you're coming from but for me personally....I'd rather not wait until I have all $8k or however much to replace parts and build it AND boost it.

I plan on saving $5k and putting a Paxton on there and seeing what 550+ish feels like.

Then when I have more money saved up I can build certain elements of it and increase power. But if I want until I have all of the money to do both at the same time I won't be able to have fun with anything over near stock hp until then. So I'm adding at least a year or two of time with current power just because I wanted to "do it right the first time" when I could be safely having fun with 550 hp while saving up $$$.

I realize some of you guys can just go and do whatever you want, but you can't easily support a family AND dump money when you feel like it in the mustang on $50k a year.

[re-rx7]

From what I have noticed about most people that chase power is that they always want more. So sure, 550 may be impressive for a few months but, then why go through the trouble of then breaking down the engine later and spending more money when it could have been much cheaper to do it the first time? It would be a lot cheaper to build it complete the first time, and if you want 550, go with that for the time being. When that becomes slow, simply increase the fuel delivery, tune and viola, have more power without having to open the engine up a second time.

I have a buddy at work that is debating between a new Evo and a 5.0. He's got a 2014/13 Dodge Dart that he JUST bought and was wanting to mod it for power. I said, why didn't you just buy an actual performance car? He started looking at newer cars and decided between the two mentioned. Now he's planning to take a huge hit on depreciation for his new car for an even newer car, spend all of his tax return plus any other money for a down payment AND have larger payments when he could have saved a ton from just buying the better car the first time. Juss sayin lol.

-Alex
Is he retarded? LOL


I realize some of you guys can just go and do whatever you want, but you can't easily support a family AND dump money when you feel like it in the mustang on $50k a year.

Patience is a virtue. If you can save 5k with a family then you can save 8k if you weigh a little longer and have a better foundation in the long run. The way i see it, 550whp is not enough. To even be considered qick or fast in this area you better make at least 800. So I chose not to even worry about it. Im shooting for 450whp. Thats it.

[garner]

I see where Alex is coming from also. Never know when the motor is gonna give out on boost(or with any mods) and it's better to have it prepared to handle the load you want. But at the same time those upgraded parts could fail then the car is down for who knows how long till you can afford a replacement for the upgraded part(s)

In all honesty with the whole #8 issue, almost everybody with 5.0's should have like $6k for a new motor in case but I'd say 70% don't

[Dominic Toretto]

Is he retarded? LOL

Haha, I don't want to say that, in case he joins this forum in a few weeks lol.

In all honesty with the whole #8 issue, almost everybody with 5.0's should have like $6k for a new motor in case but I'd say 70% don't

They probably have high limit credit cards for a rainy day. I never use credit cards but, probably should, so I am sticking with cash in the interim.

-Alex

[re-rx7]

I see where Alex is coming from also. Never know when the motor is gonna give out on boost(or with any mods) and it's better to have it prepared to handle the load you want. But at the same time those upgraded parts could fail then the car is down for who knows how long till you can afford a replacement for the upgraded part(s)

In all honesty with the whole #8 issue, almost everybody with 5.0's should have like $6k for a new motor in case but I'd say 70% don't
According to Tim at TS it was all a tune problem. The head design doesnt help but most of it was a tune problem.
Haha, I don't want to say that, in case he joins this forum in a few weeks lol.



They probably have high limit credit cards for a rainy day. I never use credit cards but, probably should, so I am sticking with cash in the interim.

-Alex
DEF CASH!

[GTOphil]

Is he retarded? LOL



Patience is a virtue. If you can save 5k with a family then you can save 8k if you weigh a little longer and have a better foundation in the long run. The way i see it, 550whp is not enough. To even be considered qick or fast in this area you better make at least 800. So I chose not to even worry about it. Im shooting for 450whp. Thats it.

I don't care about what's fast or being fast in "this area." I'm not a street racer.

That's why I want to put on a Paxton and then when the money comes along to make the whole system stronger and last longer and maybe go to 600.

I have ZERO desire to go any further. I'm making the car faster for me and my wife, not to race or measure with somebody else.

[re-rx7]

I have ZERO desire to go any further. I'm making the car faster for me and my wife, not to race or measure with somebody else.

our a confusing individual.

[GTOphil]

our a confusing individual.

Maybe I'm not explaining it correctly.

My point was in respect to being considered "quick" or "fast" around here. I simply stated I don't care.

I used to street race, I used to spend money on cars to compete with other people and I used to care about how much I had and how much the next guy did.

But not anymore. I'm modding the car for me and mine for pure fun, not competition. So that's why I feel I'll be ok with 550 because it's just for us- no competition.

[Dominic Toretto]

I'm modding the car for me and mine for pure fun, not competition.

This all day!

-Alex

[Soulowd]

Went to Kennedale today...

http://youtu.be/e78MUkY3DSk

[re-rx7]

Times?

[Soulowd]

60-2.081
1/8 - [email protected]
on good ole stock tires

[Slow Five-O]

Nice. Nice mph.

Now get some tires!

[Soulowd]

lol you can say that again Slow I felt like I was ice skating out there

[DirtyD]

Kennedale was open today? I thought about going out, but not in these cold temps

[Soulowd]

Kennedale was open today? I thought about going out, but not in these cold temps

Yeah I left the house about 3:30 and the sun was trying to come out...Then I got there and cold and foggy again. I hope all you guys will come out to the ennis test and tune on the 21st so I can finally meet you dudes. I might go to kennedale again this Sunday if weather permits. There were a lot of camaro ppl out there who need help getting last

[GTOphil]

Ennis is 2 hours away....and my car is pretty much stock...I'm good. lol

[DirtyD]

Yeah I left the house about 3:30 and the sun was trying to come out...Then I got there and cold and foggy again. I hope all you guys will come out to the ennis test and tune on the 21st so I can finally meet you dudes. I might go to kennedale again this Sunday if weather permits. There were a lot of camaro ppl out there who need help getting last


March 21st?

[Soulowd]

March 21st?

Feb 21st

[toomnymods]

I'm eventually going to start dragracing but i deffinatly want my weld RTS bigs and littles first.. no reason to go out there with 440 rwhp and just spin the tires all the way down the track..

[DirtyD]

Feb 21st
Ah. I don't know if I can make it out there. Guess I'll have to play it by ear see who the weather looks too.

[Soulowd]

unfreaking believable...Drove the 93' Cobra today and the engine is knocking like a hooker looking for rent money. Sux to be me

[Adam]

unfreaking believable...Drove the 93' Cobra today and the engine is knocking like a hooker looking for rent money. Sux to be me

The good thing is a 302 short block is cheap and easy to replace.

[Soulowd]

Hey guys just an update took the Cobra to Travis @ GH he said engine is good it was a cracked/warped water pump pulley that was making it knock. Putting some UD pulleys on it to fix the problem...whew that almost sucked

[Grandpa]

Pulleys are a waste of money in my opinion. Will cause charging issues. I had a 93 Cobra for many years.

[Soulowd]

Pulleys are a waste of money in my opinion. Will cause charging issues. I had a 93 Cobra for many years.

Agreed. However stock 93 cobra water pump pulley not that easy to find. Ez fix is go with the UD pulleys.