Intake manifolds and myths.....

[wbt]

No need for this info to exist any longer.

[Midnight11]

Awesome info. Def will make it a sticky


Looking forward to your findings on the cj intake

[Luke]

Good write up, thanks for taking the time to do it. Its always good to hear from people who have actually USED the parts rather than read about them.

[Dan12GT]

Informative for sure. I very much agree that the Boss Intake Manifold requires more supporting mods to see it really shine.

[faztcobra]

Nice writeup.

[Yagermeister]

As faztcobra said...nice writeup! Having raced the stock intake and boss intake with 4.10s and 3.31s with 28" tires and a 6R80 with and without converters, I have to concur with wbt on all points and are looking forward to the CJ results! I have been telling everyone here the exact same points for months :-)

[wbt]

Here is a prime example of someone who installed a Boss intake and ran worse at the track because they didn't have the needed supporting mods.

http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums/2011/315993-finally-3.html

Maybe someone can offer to buy it off of him for a discount.

[5HIFT3D]

Looks like I will be going with the CJ. If I am going to spend them money anyways why not get the best. It is a bummer about the lack of torque gain but I like thelaunch as it is anyways.

[Misanthrope]

New here on this forum, but not new to the forum scene. As i am coming from owning an 11 second catfish Camaro. And I recently bought a 2012 5.0 300a a6. I would like to get this car into the 10's to compete with you guys with a stock long block as i have seen that there has only been 4 to do so, but have noticed only two still exist. I have noticed that the setup you're using works well kudos to that, but there is a black car that is similar to yours in the northeast that has proved faster times with a stock intake and 4.10's? What's the explanation (if there is one) on why his went faster if the setup you are using is the best out there.........just trying to get good answers without having to do a lot of research on my end and having others provide information and not trying to make this uncomfortable for anyone. But as seeing what you have done keep on keeping on and I hope to see you at the fun ford event in Dallas as it would be a pleasure to meet someone with so much knowledge as yourself.

[re-rx7]

Looks like I will be going with the CJ. If I am going to spend them money anyways why not get the best. It is a bummer about the lack of torque gain but I like thelaunch as it is anyways. the best part doesn't mean the fastest time. It's how they wrk together.

New here on this forum, but not new to the forum scene. As i am coming from owning an 11 second catfish Camaro. And I recently bought a 2012 5.0 300a a6. I would like to get this car into the 10's to compete with you guys with a stock long block as i have seen that there has only been 4 to do so, but have noticed only two still exist. I have noticed that the setup you're using works well kudos to that, but there is a black car that is similar to yours in the northeast that has proved faster times with a stock intake and 4.10's? What's the explanation (if there is one) on why his went faster if the setup you are using is the best out there.........just trying to get good answers without having to do a lot of research on my end and having others provide information and not trying to make this uncomfortable for anyone. But as seeing what you have done keep on keeping on and I hope to see you at the fun ford event in Dallas as it would be a pleasure to meet someone with so much knowledge as yourself.
Pretty gd first post. Be sure to introduce yourself.

[Misanthrope]

What we wanna know? Saw this thread as the first sticky under performance and thought this would be a good starting point here

[wbt]

I have noticed that the setup you're using works well kudos to that, but there is a black car that is similar to yours in the northeast that has proved faster times with a stock intake and 4.10's? What's the explanation (if there is one) on why his went faster if the setup you are using is the best out there.........just trying to get good answers without having to do a lot of research on my end and having others provide information and not trying to make this uncomfortable for anyone.

That is pretty easy to explain....the owner of that car dropped it off at JPC who did all the work including the driving. Cliff notes on the .09 difference in times:

1. They were running in 2,800' better DA with very low water grains.
2. Private track rental so they could prep as they wanted.
3. Questionable amount of weight that was pulled out of that car. JPC ran .1 quicker 60' times than anyone else has run in these cars using similar setups. Mid 1.4's vs. mid 1.5's.

That car ran 10's the one time. It hasn't run 10's since. In fact, when the owner got it back, running in similar air conditions that we run in, it runs 11.6's. JPC took that car to NMRA MIR using the CJ intake and couldn't get it in the 10's there. Something doesn't add up.

On our side, we have run 10's in every season at every major track in Texas.

We have proven the combo we are using works under varying conditions. Not just one time under phenomenal conditions. Hope that helps answer your question.


But as seeing what you have done keep on keeping on and I hope to see you at the fun ford event in Dallas as it would be a pleasure to meet someone with so much knowledge as yourself.


I believe FFW is this weekend at Ennis. Not going to be there. May be back in October depending on schedule.

[Shaun13GTCS]

Here is a prime example of someone who installed a Boss intake and ran worse at the track because they didn't have the needed supporting mods.

http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums/2011/315993-finally-3.html

Maybe someone can offer to buy it off of him for a discount.

LMAO! Keep talking bud. I told people I would post up exact before/after results switching to the boss intake. No changes in the most similar DA I could. I ran .05 slower with alittle worse 60' (track prep wasn't great) trapped alittle higher, even considering I couldn't shift 2nd higher then 7000rpm.

Also, DA was 1300' last time compared to 1600' this time. Gears would absolutely help, and I actually thought with the 3.31's I might run slower.

But don't talk shit, you dont actually mention what i was out to do, but just say "oh he ran slower" "im just throwing him under the bus because he mentioned casper/jpc is faster then me, and ill cry about it everytime" Nor is my car a dedicated track car like yours. Mine is much more of a DD/track car.

[wbt]

LMAO! Keep talking bud. I told people I would post up exact before/after results switching to the boss intake. No changes in the most similar DA I could. I ran .05 slower with alittle worse 60' (track prep wasn't great) trapped alittle higher, even considering I couldn't shift 2nd higher then 7000rpm.

Also, DA was 1300' last time compared to 1600' this time. Gears would absolutely help, and I actually thought with the 3.31's I might run slower.

But don't talk shit, you dont actually mention what i was out to do, but just say "oh he ran slower" "im just throwing him under the bus because he mentioned casper/jpc is faster then me, and ill cry about it everytime" Nor is my car a dedicated track car like yours. Mine is much more of a DD/track car.

Lol! Nice troll post. I believe you and your mole have been had. Hopefully the mods will clean your garbage out.

...and yes, you, like many others before, proved my exact point running the Boss intake. You failed to see improvement because you didn't have the mods to support the part. This has nothing to do with you trolling kdanner or I on YouTube trying to post snide remarks on our content.

So how much are going to ask for the intake? I thought this was in your plan to run 10's but you are just a daily driver/track car right?
http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums/2011/311334-next-round-mods.html

Keep running in circles....it's amusing.

[re-rx7]

I think it humerous all of the work needed to get one part to preform decently.

[Yagermeister]

Shaun13GTCS, so you installed a part that requires you to shift at 7600-7800 every shift but only shifted at 6800-7000 and then you say the intake didn't work? I understand the comparison you were after and admire you trying to take variables out but if you do not use the part as intended it is not a fair comparison. Fix your trans and then test properly is my recommendation.

[Yagermeister]

Shaun, now that you have posted your timeslips in the other forum that was linked...here's my quick observation...

1. It was not a before and after only for the intake since you changed suspension as well

2. You picked up almost a full 1 mph over the stock intake (theory says for every 1 mph you gain around 10hp) with a worse 60' (probably from shifting too early) and not shifting at the right rpms...not too shabby for the boss intake!

[Yagermeister]

Misanthrope...I sincerely welcome you to this forum and club! I do hope your name does not truly represent who you are since this club is a real club with meets and get-togethers and is not just a forum where everything only stays online.

For those that don't know what his name means:

Misanthropy is the general hatred, distrust or disdain of the human species or human nature. A misanthrope, or misanthropist is someone who holds such views or feelings. The word's origin is from Greek words misos, "hatred" and ἄanthrōpos, "man, human".

[Yagermeister]

Shaun and wbt, I'm not taking sides here but trying to see the facts and sort through the talk. We've seen 4 cars get into the 10s with stock longblocks and boltons. Both with the stock intake and a boss intake. You need to have the right combination of gears/intake/suspension/tune to do it. Which one is right? Neither. Which intake works? Both...if the rest of the combo is setup correctly AND USED AS INTENDED. You can't install cams either and expect to shift at the same as stock either ;)

[casper gt]

just making a small appearance to verify I'm not trolling/etc here.

I certainly am not misanthrope (easily verified by my ip adresss if the admins care to).

I have respect for other folks sites & generally keep my problems on my sites.

you guys have a nice little site here & I hope my compeditors agree that we should keep it that way & not air our dirty laundry here.

wbt makes some good points in this thread & I have made some good points elsewhere, lets leave it at that & not try to start a web wide mustang war.

[Shaun13GTCS]

Shaun13GTCS, so you installed a part that requires you to shift at 7600-7800 every shift but only shifted at 6800-7000 and then you say the intake didn't work? I understand the comparison you were after and admire you trying to take variables out but if you do not use the part as intended it is not a fair comparison. Fix your trans and then test properly is my recommendation.

I shifted into 2nd at 6800rpm. Only because everytime I tried about 7000, It would grind and lock me out. I shifted other gears at 7600rpm.

I tried doing the best I could to make it a fair comparison. The LCA/relo brackets after, but my 60' with the boss intake was actually alittle worse.

wbt, yup I said I would like to get it to run 10's. No need to link every post lol.
But it's not going to happen overnight, I said I'm aiming for the beginning or sometime next year. By then, I'll have 3.73's in, twin disc clutch, e85, slicks, and some other stuff.

But I'm absolutely not converting it to an all out drag car. I don't mind making some sacrifices. But I'm not making the car track only.

I'm not out to beat any records. Alls I want is a 10.999 eventually.

Also, I'm only trolling because that's alls you did to AED when he ran 10.9, and to Casper when he ran a 10.7. Guy couldn't even post an msd 2 step thread without being trolled on lol.

I'm not in here to stir the pot, or "troll" or hack anyone's wife's fb page :)

I wanted to clarify what wbt didn't, so people didn't get the wrong impression on the boss intake

[Shaun13GTCS]

Also, going off trap speed. I trapped alittle slower in the 1/8 most likely from short shifting 1st gear. But trapped higher in the 1/4. If I was able to wind out 1st to 7600, the car (I feel) would definitely be in the mid 118 range.

That's just talk, I can't prove that. Maybe I'll get lucky next time and be able to wind out 1st to 7600 haha

[Yagermeister]

Shaun if you trapped higher and would've trapped even higher if the trans would've let you, you probably would've had an even better e.t. from the Boss thereby directly conflicting yourself saying the Boss doesn't work. I would suggest waiting until you have more data before misleading others about the boss intake

:beer:

[Shaun13GTCS]

When did I say the boss didnt work?

My original thought before going to the track, wasn't sure how it would be with the 3.31's. but I never said it doesn't work

[Yagermeister]

Shaun if I misstated that I'm sorry

[Shaun13GTCS]

It's okay, I never said the boss intake didn't work. I like it, I'm happy with it.

Wbt's post is helpful, but he left some of the details out on my goals. And what I was trying to do

[wbt]

I shifted into 2nd at 6800rpm. Only because everytime I tried about 7000, It would grind and lock me out. I shifted other gears at 7600rpm.

...because you didn't have the necessary supporting mods. What RPM were you launching at?


I tried doing the best I could to make it a fair comparison. The LCA/relo brackets after, but my 60' with the boss intake was actually alittle worse.


Let's not mention the extra weight savings. Your 60' would be worse if you aren't launching the car at the right RPM.


wbt, yup I said I would like to get it to run 10's. No need to link every post lol.
But it's not going to happen overnight, I said I'm aiming for the beginning or sometime next year. By then, I'll have 3.73's in, twin disc clutch, e85, slicks, and some other stuff.

But I'm absolutely not converting it to an all out drag car. I don't mind making some sacrifices. But I'm not making the car track only.

I'm not out to beat any records. Alls I want is a 10.999 eventually.


When you make contradicting statements it is worth taking note of especially when you want to troll over and stir the pot.

My car isn't a race car or track only car. What are you planning to do about the required safety equipment? Roll bar, c-clip eliminators, SFI bell housing, etc.?


Also, I'm only trolling because that's alls you did to AED when he ran 10.9, and to Casper when he ran a 10.7. Guy couldn't even post an msd 2 step thread without being trolled on lol.

I'm not in here to stir the pot, or "troll" or hack anyone's wife's fb page :)

I wanted to clarify what wbt didn't, so people didn't get the wrong impression on the boss intake

Glad you admitted it. Now let's talk facts.

1. Shaun claimed he ran a time but couldn't back it up. There were no timeslips but there was video footage of his runs on the same day but mysteriously the 10.96 run wasn't filmed.

He was also caught not telling the truth to include the weight of his car and the fuel he was using.

2. When JPC ran 10.78 in Larry's car I congratulated them. JPC own's the quickest timeslip and I have never debated that.

After several months the picture became clear. We caught people not being forthcoming or choosing to not tell the truth about that car. For example, when JPC ran the car at NMRA MIR, the owner said they were testing the Boss intake when in reality they were using a CJ intake. This was only caught by looking through pictures.

3. Hacking Facebook....that is a flat out lie. There are privacy settings each user can set for their account. For example, your settings allow everyone to see your pictures and information about you. Same can be said for the other.


Really what this comes down to is integrity. If you are upfront and honest I have no problems. If you want to tell half-truths or flat out lie, you are going to get called on the carpet.

The big question is why can't people just be honest?

[Shaun13GTCS]

...because you didn't have the necessary supporting mods. What RPM were you launching at?



Let's not mention the extra weight savings. Your 60' would be worse if you aren't launching the car at the right RPM.

I agree, why it took me a while to order the Boss intake. But I'm sure there's other people in my situation, and were curious. That's why I posted it.

I was launching at about 4500-5000rpm. I have 275/60 15 NT555R's. I need slicks so I can come off the line hard at 6-6500rpm.

As far as weight, I did have some extra stuff in the car. Just some tools because I came alone this time. But probably not the same amount of weight as the sway bar.


When you make contradicting statements it is worth taking note of especially when you want to troll over and stir the pot.

My car isn't a race car or track only car. What are you planning to do about the required safety equipment? Roll bar, c-clip eliminators, SFI bell housing, etc.?

I really haven't thought that far ahead yet. To be honest, I'm hoping my track won't be as strict so I don't have to worry about the roll bar lol. Like I said, Im not competing with anyone. Just doing it for myself.




Glad you admitted it. Now let's talk facts.

1. Shaun claimed he ran a time but couldn't back it up. There were no timeslips but there was video footage of his runs on the same day but mysteriously the 10.96 run wasn't filmed.

He was also caught not telling the truth to include the weight of his car and the fuel he was using.

2. When JPC ran 10.78 in Larry's car I congratulated them. JPC own's the quickest timeslip and I have never debated that.

After several months the picture became clear. We caught people not being forthcoming or choosing to not tell the truth about that car. For example, when JPC ran the car at NMRA MIR, the owner said they were testing the Boss intake when in reality they were using a CJ intake. This was only caught by looking through pictures.

3. Hacking Facebook....that is a flat out lie. There are privacy settings each user can set for their account. For example, your settings allow everyone to see your pictures and information about you. Same can be said for the other.


Really what this comes down to is integrity. If you are upfront and honest I have no problems. If you want to tell half-truths or flat out lie, you are going to get called on the carpet.

The big question is why can't people just be honest?

Maybe I should of just minded my own business and not got involved with it. I did what any good friend would do, and defended a friend.

Maybe there was certain things I could have not said...

[wbt]

I agree, why it took me a while to order the Boss intake. But I'm sure there's other people in my situation, and were curious. That's why I posted it.

I was launching at about 4500-5000rpm. I have 275/60 15 NT555R's. I need slicks so I can come off the line hard at 6-6500rpm.

As far as weight, I did have some extra stuff in the car. Just some tools because I came alone this time. But probably not the same amount of weight as the sway bar.



I really haven't thought that far ahead yet. To be honest, I'm hoping my track won't be as strict so I don't have to worry about the roll bar lol. Like I said, Im not competing with anyone. Just doing it for myself.





Maybe I should of just minded my own business and not got involved with it. I did what any good friend would do, and defended a friend.

Maybe there was certain things I could have not said...

All fair enough.

The first post in this thread may help as you start pushing the car with the Boss intake. You don't want to strand yourself at the track due to a broken axle, etc.

[Grandpa]

Let's keep this about the technical stuff and not other board drama. Please leave that crap elsewhere.

[Shaun13GTCS]

I agree, I actually read through it after I made my first post and did find it helpful.

[wbt]

Posting another example of not having the needed supporting mods for the Boss intake. This is an auto:

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/2011-2014-mustangs-354/963665-well-no-more-boss-302-intake-me-now.html

[ochoblanco]

Posting another example of not having the needed supporting mods for the Boss intake. This is an auto:

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/2011-2014-mustangs-354/963665-well-no-more-boss-302-intake-me-now.html

Ahh man you forced me to log into one of the biggest joke's of forums on the planet!!

[tagle302]

How does this translate if you have a Procharger?

[wbt]

How does this translate if you have a Procharger?

Forced induction applications play by a different rule book.

I don't have any personal experience testing various intakes with a turbo or supercharger. Maybe someone who has an chime in. I think it would be a great add to the thread.

[toomnymods]

Awesome write up WBT.. Glad I read this before doing the Cobrajet intake.. I guess sadly since soo many other mods are required first, I'll probably let the cobrajet intake and throttle body be some of my last N/A mods and just start with the other boltons first :P Still want my ARH longtubes, clutch, racestars and slicks, etc.
Will be doing BMR suspension mods and borla stinger catback within the next 2 weeks

[wbt]

Awesome write up WBT.. Glad I read this before doing the Cobrajet intake.. I guess sadly since soo many other mods are required first, I'll probably let the cobrajet intake and throttle body be some of my last N/A mods and just start with the other boltons first :P Still want my ARH longtubes, clutch, racestars and slicks, etc.
Will be doing BMR suspension mods and borla stinger catback within the next 2 weeks

Thanks! Definitely get those supporting mods done first and when you get to the intake, it will be worth the investment for the gains.

[BV600]

WBT
Would the 28" DRs and stock gear work well with the stock intake?

[Yagermeister]

BV600...what is your stock gear as there are a couple different stock ones? 3.15 for auto and 3.31/3.73 manual

[BV600]

3.15s Im not sure If I want a converter or a nitrous kit, The converter I was going to buy sold out from under me. Circle D hinted at a sale coming up and Im hoping there is a black Friday sale for nitrous so im trying to not do both....

[Yagermeister]

Honestly if you are planning any power adder or the converter I'd keep your stock gears for now and think about suspension or tires as 3.15 gears are close enough to what you'll need with NOS and not too far from 3.31s if you stay NA with a converter

[kdanner]

WBT
Would the 28" DRs and stock gear work well with the stock intake?

I've got a 2013 running 11.50 with exactly that on that shitty San Antonio track. Only other things are a 3C converter, off road pipe, driveshaft, roush upper control arm, swaybar delete. If he gets his foot healed up where he can drive again we'll take it to Little River and I expect it to run 11.40s no problem.

[wbt]

WBT
Would the 28" DRs and stock gear work well with the stock intake?

Yes. Here is the car kdanner mentioned:

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[BV600]

Thanks guys Ill probably see you at Little River its the closest track to me. Im going to get some times with the suspension and lighter drag wheels before I put the power mods on .

[wbt]

Thanks guys Ill probably see you at Little River its the closest track to me. Im going to get some times with the suspension and lighter drag wheels before I put the power mods on .

Sounds good. Look forward to seeing you out. :)