Saturday night recap

[Grandpa]

What an amazing turnout! Thanks so much to everyone who came out. Those of you who didn't show really missed out. I didn't get an exact count, but was easily 25 cars or more.

It was really good to see the usual faces and a lot of new faces too! It was a great time hanging out with everyone and I look forward to the next time. Nice weather is coming up before long and we will be having more events.


So how did you do? Post up your results!

[Midnight11]

Had a blast!! And good to meet everyone!

I lost count after 35 stangs

[TrueStreetMotorSports.com]

Jeff's car needs tires!!!! Best was a [email protected] spin bad in first and second

J shoots white boss ran a 10.50@133mph

[Grandpa]

Had a blast!! And good to meet everyone!

I lost count after 35 stangs

Not a car club! :ROFLJest:

[Grandpa]

Jeff's car needs tires!!!! Best was a [email protected] spin bad in first and second

J shoots white boss ran a 10.50@133mph

It's a good thing you have the driver mod, Clint. ;)

That Boss is BADASS! I could see he was getting the hang of it more as the night went on. That thing is nasty!

[TrueStreetMotorSports.com]

It's a good thing you have the driver mod, Clint. ;)

That Boss is BADASS! I could see he was getting the hang of it more as the night went on. That thing is nasty!

Thanks Steve but I could not get Jeff's car down the track very well, 4500rpms and car would bog, 4800 bog, 5000 and holy sh*t knocked tires off in first and second. Car at street car weight has a 11.20 pretty easy with tires. Go on a diet and better weather and 10.9 on motor should be possible.

J shoots car was getting it all night, he was really getting the launches down and shift it like a pro!!

Had a great time guys, good to see all of you guys

[JDBishopArts]

My best was 11.91 at 113 still spinning a little. 1.9 60ft. I ran 4th all the way out and had to even go into 5th to keep the MPH up. My highest MPH was 118.

[Grandpa]

Thanks Steve but I could not get Jeff's car down the track very well, 4500rpms and car would bog, 4800 bog, 5000 and holy sh*t knocked tires off in first and second. Car at street car weight has a 11.20 pretty easy with tires. Go on a diet and better weather and 10.9 on motor should be possible.



You think 11.20's is possible with a 119 trap?

[Grandpa]

My best was 11.91 at 113 still spinning a little. 1.9 60ft. I ran 4th all the way out and had to even go into 5th to keep the MPH up. My highest MPH was 118.

For the stock pulley on 20's with crappy prep, I think you were doing great!

[BLK2012GT]

You think 11.20's is possible with a 119 trap?

When people are running 11.9 at 113 why wouldn't my car run low 11's at 119?

[Doug1227]

11.2 @ 125 with a 1.69 60'. Still have a few areas that need addressed, but getting better. Backed it p with an 11.3@125 later on.

[Grandpa]

11.2 @ 125 with a 1.69 60'. Still have a few areas that need addressed, but getting better. Backed it p with an 11.3@125 later on.

Happier with the new shifts this time, Doug?

[Luke]

12.29@113 with a 1.91 60' was my best. That was a 7.96 1/8th though so I was happy with it.

[Doug1227]

Happier, yes. Happy, not yet. Still tapped the rev limiter in first and short shifted 4th. Fix those plus a little more traction and I'll be happy. Gonna look over the datalogs today.

[Midnight11]

i had fun racing luke. best was a 12.6 at 118

need to get a wheel/tire back there and drop some poundage. I am happy how ive improved since i first went so thats good haha :D

[Grandpa]

i had fun racing luke. best was a 12.6 at 118

need to get a wheel/tire back there and drop some poundage. I am happy how ive improved since i first went so thats good haha :D

You are having fun and that is what counts. :)

[BLK2012GT]

I had a great time. I really miss going to the track and running it. Can't wait to go again and hopefully have new wheels and better tires.

[46Tbird]

We left at 10. I've never seen any track that bad in my whole life. Not sure x275 track prep is gonna work with street tires. Hopefully you guys with slicks were running good.

[DirtyD]

I had a blast as well. Definitely need seat time.

Best times were my last two passes.

13.247 @ 110.54, 2.221 60'
13.273 @ 109.16, 2.210 60'

[BLK2012GT]

Track wasn't that great or at least I thought. My car was spinning 1st and 2nd and finally grabbed in 3rd. The white boss was running slicks and he was cutting 1.5's 60ft

[Grandpa]

I had a blast as well. Definitely need seat time.

Best times were my last two passes.

13.247 @ 110.54, 2.221 60'
13.273 @ 109.16, 2.210 60'

When we gonna race? :happy107:

[Phuck Phace]

Nice seeing everyone. Best cars to watch were JShoot vs Trans Am and also that pewter S10. Worst car all night was that "Cross Talk" Firebird.

[Sieran]

My best two were:

14.363 @ 193.52, 2.362 60'
13.912 @ 105.45, 2.291 60'

[TrueStreetMotorSports.com]

You think 11.20's is possible with a 119 trap?

For sure, I made 3 hot laps in the car to find out the clutch,rpm, ect. Car was warm, clutch was warm, 119 on 3rd pass is pretty good. Car should run in the 122-124 without hot lapping it and better air

[TrueStreetMotorSports.com]

Nice seeing everyone. Best cars to watch were JShoot vs Trans Am and also that pewter S10. Worst car all night was that "Cross Talk" Firebird.

Your car makes more power than the boss!!!! When we going with your car? Do it do it :)

[DirtyD]

When we gonna race? :happy107:
I was ready last night, but you didn't race. Haha

I'm down to do it at the track, but we can do street of you want.

Nice seeing everyone. Best cars to watch were JShoot vs Trans Am and also that pewter S10. Worst car all night was that "Cross Talk" Firebird.

That Firebird was sad. The run he had against me was a 12.3 @ 108. Lol

More bark than bite for sure.

[JDBishopArts]

When people are running 11.9 at 113 why wouldn't my car run low 11's at 119?

That run would have been faster for me but I ran out of 4th and kept my foot down instead of going into 5th. I should have made the shift.

[Dark Pony]

It was an awesome turnout! Good to see so many people come out for the festivities. My best run was 12.5 at 115 blowing the tires off in first. Traction alone would have got me close to the 11's.

[Taxman]

Definitely cool seeing so many people out there. We need fucking nametags with our screen names or something. I don't know who half of you are on the board.

Track prep was great for slicks. I ran a 12.2 @ 111 with a 1.66 60' time. I'm not sure why I trapped so low. I think I may have let off before the traps. I was having issues with my new clutch, so I was distracted focusing on that. I'm hoping to be in the 11's next time out there.

[Grandpa]

Definitely cool seeing so many people out there. We need fucking nametags with our screen names or something. I don't know who half of you are on the board.

Track prep was great for slicks. I ran a 12.2 @ 111 with a 1.66 60' time. I'm not sure why I trapped so low. I think I may have let off before the traps. I was having issues with my new clutch, so I was distracted focusing on that. I'm hoping to be in the 11's next time out there.

Yeah, there was definitely a lot of new faces. I was all over the place trying to talk to as many people as possible. Sorry we didn't get to hang much. I saw a couple of your passes. Your car was making some crazy noises on the shifts!

[Taxman]

Yeah, there was definitely a lot of new faces. I was all over the place trying to talk to as many people as possible. Sorry we didn't get to hang much. I saw a couple of your passes. Your car was making some crazy noises on the shifts!

That first pass was me hitting the rev limiter cuz I was locked out of second and third. LOL

[J.Shoot]

Had a great time talking to and meeting you guys. Enjoyed running the car in the 1/4 for the first time. Can't wait to get back that way and do it again.
Thanks again to True Street and the gang for all you do for us!! We had an amazing time!

P.S. I really enjoyed stomping that GTR :)

[BLK2012GT]

Had a great time talking to and meeting you guys. Enjoyed running the car in the 1/4 for the first time. Can't wait to get back that way and do it again.
Thanks again to True Street and the gang for all you do for us!! We had an amazing time!

P.S. I really enjoyed stomping that GTR :)

Congrats on your time. I don't know who was happier you or your wife. Lol it was great meeting and talking to both of y'all.

[OG Fox]

11.2 @ 125 with a 1.69 60'. Still have a few areas that need addressed, but getting better. Backed it p with an 11.3@125 later on.

you got a 10 second car no doubt.

Nice seeing everyone. Best cars to watch were JShoot vs Trans Am and also that pewter S10. Worst car all night was that "Cross Talk" Firebird.

"cross talk" doing it for jesus!!!!

[Doug1227]

Thanks. I was hoping for it to be last night, but I'll get there!

[TrueStreetMotorSports.com]

Had a great time talking to and meeting you guys. Enjoyed running the car in the 1/4 for the first time. Can't wait to get back that way and do it again.
Thanks again to True Street and the gang for all you do for us!! We had an amazing time!

P.S. I really enjoyed stomping that GTR :)

Was a good time for sure, and yes it was fun to stomp the gtr. Congrats on the new personal best

[OG Fox]

heres jeffs run http://www.dfw50s.com/showthread.php?t=2472

[Oxford14Stang]

Yeah, as shitty as my times were I was 100% focused on the launch. Josh Bishop told me to basically come out of the hole at idle and ride the clutch in first to get 60' time down. I ran a 13.2 @ 113 the first time down(and my first going down a 1/4 track) and ran 13.1s every time after that at 110 if I remember correctly. but most importantly I got my 60' down to 2.1's using Josh's advice on the stock 235's next time I go out I'll try a few other things and focus on the tree/ET and see what she's got. I'd love to run 12.6-12.7 on the stock tires.. I knows its possibly just have to find the sweet spot

[DirtyD]

Yeah, as shitty as my times were I was 100% focused on the launch. Josh Bishop told me to basically come out of the hole at idle and ride the clutch in first to get 60' time down. I ran a 13.2 @ 113 the first time down(and my first going down a 1/4 track) and ran 13.1s every time after that at 110 if I remember correctly. but most importantly I got my 60' down to 2.1's using Josh's advice on the stock 235's next time I go out I'll try a few other things and focus on the tree/ET and see what she's got. I'd love to run 12.6-12.7 on the stock tires.. I knows its possibly just have to find the sweet spot

Same here. I know my car should be good for low 12s as it sits on street tires. I just need the practice.

[Oxford14Stang]

Same here. I know my car should be good for low 12s as it sits on street tires. I just need the practice.

Yeah with your setup (basically mine) and your tires I could def. see your car running low 12s easily. What were you launching at?

[DirtyD]

Yeah with your setup (basically mine) and your tires I could def. see your car running low 12s easily. What were you launching at?

First race I loaded to 2k and picked it off the line.

After that it was 1500 or so rolling out under moderate throttle. Still getting wheel hop and spinning in 2nd gear pedal to the floor.

If we were actually allowed to run in the prepped grooves, would've been a different story.

[OG Fox]

First race I loaded to 2k and picked it off the line.

After that it was 1500 or so rolling out under moderate throttle. Still getting wheel hop and spinning in 2nd gear pedal to the floor.

If we were actually allowed to run in the prepped grooves, would've been a different story.

those grooves are for people with drag radials or slicks. they were letting some cars with bigs and lils use the groove. they dont want street tires ruining the grooves.

[Oxford14Stang]

those grooves are for people with drag radials or slicks. they were letting some cars with bigs and lils use the groove. they dont want street tires ruining the grooves.

They kicked Ant off the grooves when he bolted up his DRs, he even told them he swapped his wheels/tires out .. apparently they didn't care.

[Ear rak]

Just out of curiosity, are you guys on street tires lowering the tire pressure at all? Would help immensely, even on 235's. I'd take them down to about 23-25, clean them off in the burn out box and see what happens.

[Grandpa]

Same here. I know my car should be good for low 12s as it sits on street tires. I just need the practice.

You'd easily hit 12's if your legs were long enough to pin the go pedal to the floor. ;)

Just out of curiosity, are you guys on street tires lowering the tire pressure at all? Would help immensely, even on 235's. I'd take them down to about 23-25, clean them off in the burn out box and see what happens.

That won't help at all unless they are drag radials. The sidewalls on a regular street radial do not flex therefor do not benefit from lowering air pressure at all.

Also, if you are on regular radials, don't do a burnout in the water box. Drive around it completely avoiding the water. Depending on the tire will depend on what type of burnout you need to do. Some tires if soft enough will benefit from heating them up, but some other stock type tires will just get hot and greasy making traction worse.

Just my opinion..

[Junkie]

You'd easily hit 12's if your legs were long enough to pin the go pedal to the floor. ;)



That won't help at all unless they are drag radials. The sidewalls on a regular street radial do not flex therefor do not benefit from lowering air pressure at all.

Also, if you are on regular radials, don't do a burnout in the water box. Drive around it completely avoiding the water. Depending on the tire will depend on what type of burnout you need to do. Some tires if soft enough will benefit from heating them up, but some other stock type tires will just get hot and greasy making traction worse.

Just my opinion..

Doing a small burn out is good regardless, just to at least clean the tire off. Also depending on pressure it is good to lower pressure even on street radials. Lots of us have done a lot of testing with Invos, which are recommended to be at 35+psi but at the track we all do much better with 20-22 in them

[46Tbird]

That won't help at all unless they are drag radials. The sidewalls on a regular street radial do not flex therefor do not benefit from lowering air pressure at all. Most modern tires recommend 35-45psi for fuel economy and there is NO WAY you're going to be able to hook up on a rock hard 40-series tire with ~400hp and a stick. There is a difference between "take some air out" and "take it down to the air pressure you run in a slick." Most of these guys would get a better launch at ~25psi than they will at 40.

*edit, treed by junkie

[KungFuHamster]

Doing a small burn out is good regardless, just to at least clean the tire off. Also depending on pressure it is good to lower pressure even on street radials. Lots of us have done a lot of testing with Invos, which are recommended to be at 35+psi but at the track we all do much better with 20-22 in them
I agree a quick spin of the tires is good to knock the rocks off or any accidental moisture the tires may have picked up going around the waterbox. I usually just do a quick spin.

While my times are embarrassing, I can't believe how consistent I/my car was...especially running on street tires with a stickshift. .005 difference between my two passes? that's insane.

113 mph...I should be in the low 12s/high 11's. Oh well. I'll leave the ET on the track and save my tranny. Though I have my answer to my other thread. Screw a blower, I am going to start looking at a magnum swap. What good is 200 extra hp if I run 12's at 125 +mph? That's just foolish.

One thing is for sure. The AUTO is the way to go fast in these cars.

[Grandpa]

Most modern tires recommend 35-45psi for fuel economy and there is NO WAY you're going to be able to hook up on a rock hard 40-series tire with ~400hp and a stick. There is a difference between "take some air out" and "take it down to the air pressure you run in a slick." Most of these guys would get a better launch at ~25psi than they will at 40.

*edit, treed by junkie

The idea is to remove the air pressure enough to make as much of the tire as possible contact the pavement. The compound of the tire with how soft/hard it is will create the traction with heat from the burnout. I'm with you there on all of that.

A tire like an Invo that is a real performance tire being a softer compound will benefit from a good burnout. Also, being an aftermarket tire is most likely a larger tire as well. I can definitely see what you are saying applying to that.

I just don't see it applying as well to someone on a stock 235 Pirelli that is a harder compound designed for all seasons and the side wall is not meant to give at all.

I also agree with you that some people let out way too much air on a street radial thinking they are getting the same effect as they would on a slick. The same could be said for a overly inflated tire.

I agree a quick spin of the tires is good to knock the rocks off or any accidental moisture the tires may have picked up going around the waterbox. I usually just do a quick spin.

While my times are embarrassing, I can't believe how consistent I/my car was...especially running on street tires with a stickshift. .005 difference between my two passes? that's insane.

113 mph...I should be in the low 12s/high 11's. Oh well. I'll leave the ET on the track and save my tranny. Though I have my answer to my other thread. Screw a blower, I am going to start looking at a magnum swap. What good is 200 extra hp if I run 12's at 125 +mph? That's just foolish.

One thing is for sure. The AUTO is the way to go fast in these cars.

The auto are definitely much easier to make faster. I agree they are way to go if someone is planning on tracking the car often. But my car is mainly a street car and I still prefer to row gears on the street. Gives more of the drivers experience feeling connected to the car.

[blownaltered]

You'd easily hit 12's if your legs were long enough to pin the go pedal to the floor. ;)


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[Midnight11]

Everything is good. Trying to keep stuff offline. Thanks for understanding

[KungFuHamster]

Everything is good. Trying to keep stuff offline. Thanks for understanding

Nic, what was your best mph saturday night?

[Ear rak]

Most modern tires recommend 35-45psi for fuel economy and there is NO WAY you're going to be able to hook up on a rock hard 40-series tire with ~400hp and a stick. There is a difference between "take some air out" and "take it down to the air pressure you run in a slick." Most of these guys would get a better launch at ~25psi than they will at 40.

*edit, treed by junkie

This.


Taking air out of a street tire is not to make the compound work better, but to let the tire have more give.

All I know is, every time i've gone to the track on street tires, i get better 60 foots with the tires around 24-25 psi compared to 35psi

[Midnight11]

nic, what was your best mph saturday night?

118

[Luke]

It was good meeting a few more of you guys. Hopefully next time we all hit the track I'll have the converter in. I can't complain about the track though, with those DR's and 3.15 gears I was surprised the car had enough power to even do the burnout!

[Grandpa]

118

That's some good mph for a lil 302 with bolt ons.

[KungFuHamster]

118

That's some good mph for a lil 302 with bolt ons.

agreed! That mph is badass for a bolt on car. Perhaps longtubes/boss intake make a bigger difference than I gave them credit for.

[Grandpa]

agreed! That mph is badass for a bolt on car. Perhaps longtubes/boss intake make a bigger difference than I gave them credit for.

I know for a fact the longtubes work on these cars. Nic and I raced before his longtubes and we were close. After his longtubes there was an obvious MPH difference because he had a nice steady pull on me from a roll.

[Toby]

I agree a quick spin of the tires is good to knock the rocks off or any accidental moisture the tires may have picked up going around the waterbox. I usually just do a quick spin.

While my times are embarrassing, I can't believe how consistent I/my car was...especially running on street tires with a stickshift. .005 difference between my two passes? that's insane.

113 mph...I should be in the low 12s/high 11's. Oh well. I'll leave the ET on the track and save my tranny. Though I have my answer to my other thread. Screw a blower, I am going to start looking at a magnum swap. What good is 200 extra hp if I run 12's at 125 +mph? That's just foolish.

One thing is for sure. The AUTO is the way to go fast in these cars.

We had a boss out there running 10.50's at 133 mph using the stock 6 speed.. Car has a d-1, fuel system to support, headers, and some control arms. Other wise bone stock suspension with full interior and nothing taken out.

[wbt]

We had a boss out there running 10.50's at 133 mph using the stock 6 speed.. Car has a d-1, fuel system to support, headers, and some control arms. Other wise bone stock suspension with full interior and nothing taken out.

It would have run better times with an auto.

[DirtyD]

You'd easily hit 12's if your legs were long enough to pin the go pedal to the floor. ;)



That won't help at all unless they are drag radials. The sidewalls on a regular street radial do not flex therefor do not benefit from lowering air pressure at all.

Also, if you are on regular radials, don't do a burnout in the water box. Drive around it completely avoiding the water. Depending on the tire will depend on what type of burnout you need to do. Some tires if soft enough will benefit from heating them up, but some other stock type tires will just get hot and greasy making traction worse.

Just my opinion..
That's the beauty of a power sliding seat. I could easily reach the firewall with the pedal. Full foot to the floor. :D

You didn't race though, so you can't give me much crap. :p

And FWIW, I aired my Michelin Pilot SS down to 25-26 PSI from 32-33ish. I probably could've done more, but I didn't feel like waiting over an hour for the shitty "mobility kit" air compressor to pump my tires back up from 20 PSI, because I wanted to get home. lol

[BLK2012GT]

It would have run better times with an auto.

Not everyone wants to just push down the peddle and go and try to set records. I like shifting through the gears. It's a lot more fun.

[46Tbird]

And FWIW, I aired my Michelin Pilot SS down to 25-26 PSI from 32-33ish. I probably could've done more, but I didn't feel like waiting over an hour for the shitty "mobility kit" air compressor to pump my tires back up from 20 PSI, because I wanted to get home. lol

The Shell station one mile up the road has free air.

[Luke]

The Shell station one mile up the road has free air.

Haha, I was thinking the same thing. But there's nothing like getting a freak rainstorm while on slicks with 10 or so psi!

[wbt]

Not everyone wants to just push down the peddle and go and try to set records. I like shifting through the gears. It's a lot more fun.

I own one of each. I'll take an auto over a stick anyday at the track.

I find it hilarious you M6 guys saying it takes a "man" to drive a stick, etc. when they have no clue what it takes to make an auto work to where all it takes is just mashing the gas.

When you are laying parts across the track creating a mess for the crew to cleanup and causing delays, come talk to me again about how much better that manual trans car is.

You do have an upgraded driveline with all the necessary support to withstand 6K RPM launches on slicks right?

[Luke]

I own one of each. I'll take an auto over a stick anyday at the track.

I find it hilarious you M6 guys saying it takes a "man" to drive a stick, etc. when they have no clue what it takes to make an auto work to where all it takes is just mashing the gas.

When you are laying parts across the track creating a mess for the crew to cleanup and causing delays, come talk to me again about how much better that manual trans car is.

You do have an upgraded driveline with all the necessary support to withstand 6K RPM launches on slicks right?

:lol2::hidesbehindsofa:

[blownaltered]

I own one of each. I'll take an auto over a stick anyday at the track.

I find it hilarious you M6 guys saying it takes a "man" to drive a stick, etc. when they have no clue what it takes to make an auto work to where all it takes is just mashing the gas.

When you are laying parts across the track creating a mess for the crew to cleanup and causing delays, come talk to me again about how much better that manual trans car is.

You do have an upgraded driveline with all the necessary support to withstand 6K RPM launches on slicks right?

I think your missing the point of what most people are saying. You can't compare times between a m6 vs an auto with a stall. The auto is going to eat the m6 out of the hole and hit the shift perfect every time because its computer controlled. No human error involved. But he and a lot of other guys, myself included like sticks for our sports cars because they are more fun to drive on the street. If I was going to race my car every weekend then yes I would do an auto but I don't so ill stick to my old 5 speed.

[Doug1227]

Fixed....lol...sorry, couldn't help it! A6 OWNERS UNITE!

Not everyone wants to just push down the peddle and go and try to set records. I like TRYING to shift through the gears. It's a lot more fun.

[BLK2012GT]

I think your missing the point of what most people are saying. You can't compare times between a m6 vs an auto with a stall. The auto is going to eat the m6 out of the hole and hit the shift perfect every time because its computer controlled. No human error involved. But he and a lot of other guys, myself included like sticks for our sports cars because they are more fun to drive on the street. If I was going to race my car every weekend then yes I would do an auto but I don't so ill stick to my old 5 speed.
X2 exactly was never saying a manual is better for the track then an auto. WBT man you might want to read a post twice before you post cause just because some thinks differently doesn't mean they are insulting you or better then you.

[BLK2012GT]

Fixed....lol...sorry, couldn't help it! A6 OWNERS UNITE!

LOL nice Doug, ass.

[03MachMe]

Its cool my sister has an auto mustang too.... Im with Jeff on this one. If it is a pure drag race car sure auto is better but it is a lot more fun to slam the gears on the street and at the track IMO. You could my mom in an auto car that is set up right and give her a couple runs and she will be running close to the same any anyone else in that car.

an auto will tell you what the car can do, a manual will tell you what the driver can do with that car.

[wbt]

I think your missing the point of what most people are saying. You can't compare times between a m6 vs an auto with a stall. The auto is going to eat the m6 out of the hole and hit the shift perfect every time because its computer controlled. No human error involved. But he and a lot of other guys, myself included like sticks for our sports cars because they are more fun to drive on the street. If I was going to race my car every weekend then yes I would do an auto but I don't so ill stick to my old 5 speed.

I get it and I made a few points that were missed.

X2 exactly was never saying a manual is better for the track then an auto. WBT man you might want to read a post twice before you post cause just because some thinks differently doesn't mean they are insulting you or better then you.

After a couple of days posting here and seeing some of your history, it seems as though you do a lot of talking and not much producing.

Less posting, less talking, more producing.

Now back to the upgraded driveline thing...do you or do you not have your shit together to support 6K RPM launches with your car. If not, the exact scenario I listed is going to happen in which an auto car would serve you better if you want to meet the goals you have set. Fucking around aside, I am dead serious about this. If you get a good tire on that car, and you will have to launch at 6K+ to get a good time, and your driveline is mostly stock, you are going to be SOL. Expect a tow truck to take you home unless you trailer.

I say this based on experience.

[blownaltered]

Its cool my sister has an auto mustang too.... Im with Jeff on this one. If it is a pure drag race car sure auto is better but it is a lot more fun to slam the gears on the street and at the track IMO. You could my mom in an auto car that is set up right and give her a couple runs and she will be running close to the same any anyone else in that car.

an auto will tell you what the car can do, a manual will tell you what the driver can do with that car.

Very true. My old dragster ran the same times run after run. Any of my friends could have gotten in and drove it to that time after some practice runs. It was set up to shift exactly where it needed to and I knew exactly what rpm to launch at. The only thing I had to worry about was going straight and the tree. Hell I only saw 2 of the 275 tire class running faster than what my old ride did. So I think I have a little experience in these matters.

[DirtyD]

Back when autos were 3/4+OD (like the 4R70W in my F150 and 4R100 in the Lightning) sticks were the go to transmission for the track it seems, just because the autos could tend to be lazy. Nowadays with the new 6R80 and all the others out there, autos are some badass pieces of equipment they put into their cars. If I didn't have it out to own a Mustang with a stick (being my first Mustang ever) then I would've gone auto simply for reliability and ease of mind driving in traffic and such. Plus the girlfriend could drive it. LOL

I will never say it takes a man to drive a stick at the track, but I will say it take a man to drive a stick as hard as an auto at the track.

[BLK2012GT]

I get it and I made a few points that were missed.



After a couple of days posting here and seeing some of your history, it seems as though you do a lot of talking and not much producing.

Less posting, less talking, more producing.

Now back to the upgraded driveline thing...do you or do you not have your shit together to support 6K RPM launches with your car. If not, the exact scenario I listed is going to happen in which an auto car would serve you better if you want to meet the goals you have set. Fucking around aside, I am dead serious about this. If you get a good tire on that car, and you will have to launch at 6K+ to get a good time, and your driveline is mostly stock, you are going to be SOL. Expect a tow truck to take you home unless you trailer.

I say this based on experience.
You don't worry about my history. And I have a one piece DS and that's it as far as the driveline goes.

[Doug1227]

I can sip coffee AND downshift from 5th to 2nd in 1/4 of a second from a 40 roll.....what's more fun than THAT on the street! LMAO!

[wbt]

Back when autos were 3/4+OD (like the 4R70W in my F150 and 4R100 in the Lightning) sticks were the go to transmission for the track it seems, just because the autos could tend to be lazy. Nowadays with the new 6R80 and all the others out there, autos are some badass pieces of equipment they put into their cars. If I didn't have it out to own a Mustang with a stick (being my first Mustang ever) then I would've gone auto simply for reliability and ease of mind driving in traffic and such. Plus the girlfriend could drive it. LOL

I will never say it takes a man to drive a stick at the track, but I will say it take a man to drive a stick as hard as an auto at the track.

I can get behind that.:favorites13:

[Phuck Phace]

You don't worry about my history. And I have a one piece DS and that's it as far as the driveline goes.

and clutch, flyewheel, DS loop?

[BLK2012GT]

and clutch, flyewheel, DS loop?

Actually no DS loop. Damnit Tim

[03MachMe]

I can sip coffee AND downshift from 5th to 2nd in 1/4 of a second from a 40 roll.....what's more fun than THAT on the street! LMAO!

actually shifting my car :driver:

[46Tbird]

I own one of each. I'll take an auto over a stick anyday at the track.
Totally agree. And the potential in the new 6As is astounding. But I do more than drag race my car, and I would be way too bored with a slushbox in my daily commute.

I didn't realize you still have your M6 car. Do you ever do anything with it anymore?

[wbt]

Actually no DS loop. Damnit Tim

Open your checkbook and start buying:

1. Dual disc clutch with flywheel
2. D/S loop
3. Rear end girdle with bearing cap support
4. Axle tube brace
5. Adjustable upper control arm and mount (set pinion angle)
6. Lower control arms and relo brackets
7. Hardened axles
8. Upgraded differential
9. A good shifter with tail housing bracket.

These are mods you should have done before spending all that money on the motor work. More power means nothing if you can't reliably get it to the ground.

[wbt]

Totally agree. And the potential in the new 6As is astounding. But I do more than drag race my car, and I would be way too bored with a slushbox in my daily commute.

I didn't realize you still have your M6 car. Do you ever do anything with it anymore?

I traded that in on my auto. My wife's 2013 is a MT-82 car. That is what she wanted and she prefers a stick over an auto.

[OG Fox]

I traded that in on my auto. My wife's 2013 is a MT-82 car. That is what she wanted and she prefers a stick over an auto.

sounds like she's a keeper

[blownaltered]

Open your checkbook and start buying:

1. Dual disc clutch with flywheel
2. D/S loop
3. Rear end girdle with bearing cap support
4. Axle tube brace
5. Adjustable upper control arm and mount (set pinion angle)
6. Lower control arms and relo brackets
7. Hardened axles
8. Upgraded differential
9. A good shifter with tail housing bracket.

These are mods you should have done before spending all that money on the motor work. More power means nothing if you can't reliably get it to the ground.
Damn all I'm missing is the drive shaft loop.

[wbt]

sounds like she's a keeper

Yessir. 19 years next Feb. :)

Her past car list:

2010 Mustang GT - m6
2010 GT500 - m6
2010 Challenger - a5
2012 Charger - a8
2013 Roush - m6

[JDBishopArts]

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[Doug1227]

lol

[Luke]

I can sip coffee AND downshift from 5th to 2nd in 1/4 of a second from a 40 roll.....what's more fun than THAT on the street! LMAO!

Agreed! Like I've said before, when you're sitting in stop and go traffic, it's nice to be able to nap on the way home.

[poopypie218]

why no one tell me that sat night was track night?!?! i wanna run the pretty much stock fox lol

[Midnight11]

why no one tell me that sat night was track night?!?! i wanna run the pretty much stock fox lol

It was posted pretty much everywhere

[blownaltered]

why no one tell me that sat night was track night?!?! i wanna run the pretty much stock fox lol

my fox is pretty much stock :hidesbehindsofa:

[Toby]

It would have run better times with an auto.

Oh with out a doubt! Anyone that denies an auto is faster at the track is delusional. Jeff has a shifter, one piece ds, mcloud dual disc clutch with aluminum flywheel. Honestly the only mods to suspension he has done, is a set of springs, which arguably are hurting more then helping. He needs to address control arms, brackets, shocks and getting them dialed in before he tries to hit the track again. With the same tires he was running, him learning how to leave the line and those suspension mods will surprise everyone...

[kdanner]

You don't worry about my history. And I have a one piece DS and that's it as far as the driveline goes.

I can tell you from experience with wbt's manual car, when he finally put slicks on it instead of ET streets, it broke the driver side axle on the very first hit, the car didn't even move. So I'd be buying some axles if I were you. Do it up right, put 9" ends on the housing like mine, much nicer to deal with than c clip eliminators.

[Midnight11]

Oh with out a doubt! Anyone that denies an auto is faster at the track is delusional. Jeff has a shifter, one piece ds, mcloud dual disc clutch with aluminum flywheel. Honestly the only mods to suspension he has done, is a set of springs, which arguably are hurting more then helping. He needs to address control arms, brackets, shocks and getting them dialed in before he tries to hit the track again. With the same tires he was running, him learning how to leave the line and those suspension mods will surprise everyone...

He was on stock springs. Gary changed them Friday

[Toby]

He was on stock springs. Gary changed them Friday

Oh really? well shit he was bone stock suspension then... man this guy needs some suspension!!! haha

[Doug1227]

I was on Sportlines and 19" MT's.....

[Toby]

I was on Sportlines and 19" MT's.....

With an auto car that does not instantly hit the tires with the drop of the clutch. Manual cars take a good driver, with a good setup to work right. Hince all the bolt on cars that nite running mid to bottom 12's at 116+ mph... That mph is good for mid 11's...

[J.Shoot]

What everyone wants to drive is a personal choice. I personally wanted a Boss 302 and a stick is what you get. I like driving my car. I love the control of having a stick as well the potential headaches that can come with it. I have taken steps to make my car as safe and reliable as possible but let's face it, things break as long as you are pounding on your car. You make enough passes, or run enough times, something will break eventually.
We have nearly 50 launches on a track in this car and thankfully have not had any major problems. We have however, continued to make improvements and take safety measures as HP has increased.
Not taking sides, auto vs. manual, just making a point that it is all about preference and stick is what I enjoy driving.
Just ask the auto GTR and auto Trans Am that I politely schooled Saturday night. :)
If you have raced long enough, you know that there is always someone faster. That is why we do this...we keep going back for more HP. That is what keeps us going and keeps guys like TS in business :)
I know there are faster cars out there than mine, but I love what I have, and had a blast seeing what it would do on the 1/4 mile track. Each time I make a pass, I learn something else about my car. BTW, I only launch at 5K, not 6.

[wbt]

Oh really? well shit he was bone stock suspension then... man this guy needs some suspension!!! haha

I am still running stock shocks, struts and OEM springs. ;)

But yeah, he needs to beef his driveline up more before dropping the hammer at 6K on slicks.

[wbt]

What everyone wants to drive is a personal choice. I personally wanted a Boss 302 and a stick is what you get. I like driving my car. I love the control of having a stick as well the potential headaches that can come with it. I have taken steps to make my car as safe and reliable as possible but let's face it, things break as long as you are pounding on your car. You make enough passes, or run enough times, something will break eventually.
We have nearly 50 launches on a track in this car and thankfully have not had any major problems. We have however, continued to make improvements and take safety measures as HP has increased.
Not taking sides, auto vs. manual, just making a point that it is all about preference and stick is what I enjoy driving.
Just ask the auto GTR and auto Trans Am that I politely schooled Saturday night. :)
If you have raced long enough, you know that there is always someone faster. That is why we do this...we keep going back for more HP. That is what keeps us going and keeps guys like TS in business :)
I know there are faster cars out there than mine, but I love what I have, and had a blast seeing what it would do on the 1/4 mile track. Each time I make a pass, I learn something else about my car. BTW, I only launch at 5K, not 6.

That is what it's all about, enjoying what you like to do. I didn't get a chance to see your car run but heard good things about it.

On the manual trans stuff, I just hate to see stuff break when it doesn't have to. It is relatively expensive to get the driveline up to snuff but makes for a safer, more reliable car. It also gives you room to grow with power.

Most build their cars from front back vs. back to front and hopefully with some shared experience everyone can enjoy their cars how they were meant to be.

This clip shows my driver side axle breaking on launch using a full slick:
olFVioKr2z4

[DirtyD]

That is what it's all about, enjoying what you like to do. I didn't get a chance to see your car run but heard good things about it.

On the manual trans stuff, I just hate to see stuff break when it doesn't have to. It is relatively expensive to get the driveline up to snuff but makes for a safer, more reliable car. It also gives you room to grow with power.

Most build their cars from front back vs. back to front and hopefully with some shared experience everyone can enjoy their cars how they were meant to be.

This clip shows my driver side axle breaking on launch using a full slick:
olFVioKr2z4

The ET streets are the DOT slick, right? I've always heard that manuals need to go with something other than DRs, because they are too stiff to take the drivetrain shock.

[Junkie]

The ET streets are the DOT slick, right? I've always heard that manuals need to go with something other than DRs, because they are too stiff to take the drivetrain shock.

A slick when wrinkle and collapse a bit, it absorbs the shock and will help preserve driveline parts with an aggressive manual trans launch. In my experience anyway.

[wbt]

The ET streets are the DOT slick, right? I've always heard that manuals need to go with something other than DRs, because they are too stiff to take the drivetrain shock.

A slick when wrinkle and collapse a bit, it absorbs the shock and will help preserve driveline parts with an aggressive manual trans launch. In my experience anyway.

This was the first time at the track with a full Hoosier bias ply slick slick on the car. 28x10x15. When I launched it hit the tires, they stuck, and the axle said, "I am getting a beer, this is BS.". First run of the night, first hit, then back on the trailer. :P

Prior to this I was using ET Street bias ply tires on 8" rims.

[DirtyD]

A slick when wrinkle and collapse a bit, it absorbs the shock and will help preserve driveline parts with an aggressive manual trans launch. In my experience anyway.

That's my understanding of it too.

[DirtyD]

This was the first time at the track with a full Hoosier bias ply slick slick on the car. 28x10x15. When I launched it hit the tires, they stuck, and the axle said, "I am getting a beer, this is BS.". First run of the night, first hit, then back on the trailer. :P

Prior to this I was using ET Street bias ply tires on 8" rims.

So the ET streets are a good tire for someone like myself to get for track use on a manual?

[Oxford14Stang]

Okay finally read all the posts I missed lol. Back to the stock tire guys. I had lowered my psi to 20. I've tried 32psi(what I run on the streets) and was terrible. 20psi seems to be a decent psi. I'll try 25 next time. With my setup, cai/bama race tune, 3.55 gears axlebacks. I was running consistent 13.1s spinning 1st and getting sideways in second. Couldn't seem to stop it. Had traction in third for once(that I've been fighting at Northstar) trapped 113

[DirtyD]

Okay finally read all the posts I missed lol. Back to the stock tire guys. I had lowered my psi to 20. I've tried 32psi(what I run on the streets) and was terrible. 20psi seems to be a decent psi. I'll try 25 next time. With my setup, cai/bama race tune, 3.55 gears axlebacks. I was running consistent 13.1s spinning 1st and getting sideways in second. Couldn't seem to stop it. Had traction in third for once(that I've been fighting at Northstar) trapped 113

I think I should've gone lower on my PSI as well, but oh well.

[STROKD]

So the ET streets are a good tire for someone like myself to get for track use on a manual?

Quick Time Pro. BAD ass tires, I hooked on the street and track with them with a stick and over 700 rw. lasted about 5-6k miles too which is better than a drag radial. They are DOT legal for street use, even though Hoosier says not to use them on the highway.:jester:

[wbt]

So the ET streets are a good tire for someone like myself to get for track use on a manual?

Quick Time Pro. BAD ass tires, I hooked on the street and track with them with a stick and over 700 rw. lasted about 5-6k miles too which is better than a drag radial. They are DOT legal for street use, even though Hoosier says not to use them on the highway.:jester:

Sure. Either one of those tires would be fine for a manual trans car.

Run a 10" wide rim with a 28x11.50-15 sized tire. I would start at 14psi. on the track and go from there.

If you drive with them on the street I would run about 25psi. If it rains do not drive on them.

BTW - I used to be a MT guy for years. IMO I think Hoosier makes a better tire today.

[STROKD]

Sure. Either one of those tires would be fine for a manual trans car.

Run a 10" wide rim with a 28x11.50-15 sized tire. I would start at 14psi. on the track and go from there.

If you drive with them on the street I would run about 25psi. If it rains do not drive on them.

BTW - I used to be a MT guy for years. IMO I think Hoosier makes a better tire today.

yep, i ran a 15x10 with a 28x11.50... fit perfect, very little walk at speed, had them over 180 on the highway a few times...:angels2: I ran 20-22 on the street (18 when I was racing) and 12-15 at the track depending on the heat in the track and prep. Never had to go below 12 hot, it would start biting REAL well at 12 if it needed to go that low.

[Oxford14Stang]

I think I should've gone lower on my PSI as well, but oh well.

Yeah, well I'm going to be going to Northstar, not this Friday, but next. Get a little more seat time. Join if you'd like.

[DirtyD]

Yeah, well I'm going to be going to Northstar, not this Friday, but next. Get a little more seat time. Join if you'd like.

Would, but Stephanie has her surgery so I will likely be helping her.

wbt, will my 3.55s pose any issues with the 28" tire? I assume not since that will just move me into a slightly lower RPM in 4th through the traps.

[wbt]

Would, but Stephanie has her surgery so I will likely be helping her.

wbt, will my 3.55s pose any issues with the 28" tire? I assume not since that will just move me into a slightly lower RPM in 4th through the traps.

It's not optimal but not as bad as running a 4.10 where you would be shifting into 5th. 3.73 would be best with a stock intake and 28" tire. 3.55 isn't a bad gear to run with your combo.

[DirtyD]

It's not optimal but not as bad as running a 4.10 where you would be shifting into 5th. 3.73 would be best with a stock intake and 28" tire. 3.55 isn't a bad gear to run with your combo.

Would a 37" tire be better suited for the slight taller gears? Should only be a difference in ~400-500 RPM, I think. Would have to do the math.

[wbt]

Would a 37" tire be better suited for the slight taller gears? Should only be a difference in ~400-500 RPM, I think. Would have to do the math.

Well, a 37" probably wouldn't fit but a 27" tire with a 3.55 is pretty close to a 3.73 with a 28" tire. :)

[BLK2012GT]

Would a 37" tire be better suited for the slight taller gears? Should only be a difference in ~400-500 RPM, I think. Would have to do the math.

So you got a 6" lift on your stang?:hidesbehindsofa:

[DirtyD]

Well, a 37" probably wouldn't fit but a 27" tire with a 3.55 is pretty close to a 3.73 with a 28" tire. :)


So you got a 6" lift on your stang?:hidesbehindsofa:

Cursed fat fingers and an iPhone. Haha

Yeah, a 27" tire is what I meant. I'll definitely look into a 27x10.5x15 (I think that's the correct size). Thanks

[STROKD]

Cursed fat fingers and an iPhone. Haha

Yeah, a 27" tire is what I meant. I'll definitely look into a 27x10.5x15 (I think that's the correct size). Thanks

Yep, Hoosier makes the Quick Time Pro in that size, 27x11.5x15.

[DirtyD]

Yep, Hoosier makes the Quick Time Pro in that size, 27x11.5x15.

:D!

[downtime!]

Stock tire size on my '12 was nearly 28" tall. I run 295/55's which are about the same height as stock. Car came equipped with 3.55's from the factory. I cross the traps at 7200 in 4th (MT82). 28" works quite well with 3.55's.

[Doug1227]

Mine was shifting into 4th right before the finish line with my 3.15's. It short shifted at 7000. I think I can avoid this shift all together if I just raise the 3-4 shift point. This SHOULD cut some ET as well since I'm removing a shift. Right? Not sure how much though.

[STROKD]

Stock tire size on my '12 was nearly 28" tall. I run 295/55's which are about the same height as stock. Car came equipped with 3.55's from the factory. I cross the traps at 7200 in 4th (MT82). 28" works quite well with 3.55's.

Solid point, but you are also going 130+, he does like 114... He would be MUCH lower in the powerband thus killing his time. I think he should get some 26 inch tires personally so it's as close to redline in fourth as possible.

[Junkie]

28" tire and just make more power.

[DirtyD]

Solid point, but you are also going 130+, he does like 114... He would be MUCH lower in the powerband thus killing his time. I think he should get some 26 inch tires personally so it's as close to redline in fourth as possible.
Assuming my redline is set to 7200 RPM, in 4th gear (1.32:1) with 3.55s and a 27" tire, I'll be turning around 123-124 MPH.

A 26" tire would basically give me 118-119 MPH at 7200 RPM redline

I think a 26" tire height is my best bet for the power level I will have my car at for a long while before boost. I should never trap more than 118-119 if I'm around 420-430 rwhp (after E85 conversion and maybe a TB). Right?

[46Tbird]

I'm right at the stock rev limiter in fourth gear when crossing the quarter mile.

3.73s
28.5" tall tire (305/35-20)
114.5mph

I should never trap more than 118-119 if I'm around 420-430 rwhp (after E85 conversion and maybe a TB). Right?

I dunno about you, but I would expect at least that kinda trap for a modded coyote...

[wbt]

Assuming my redline is set to 7200 RPM, in 4th gear (1.32:1) with 3.55s and a 27" tire, I'll be turning around 123-124 MPH.

A 26" tire would basically give me 118-119 MPH at 7200 RPM redline

I think a 26" tire height is my best bet for the power level I will have my car at for a long while before boost. I should never trap more than 118-119 if I'm around 420-430 rwhp (after E85 conversion and maybe a TB). Right?

You will want to give yourself a little cushion. Peak power with the stock intake is going to be around 6,500. 118 with a 27" tire and 3.55 is ~6,900.

[DirtyD]

I'm right at the stock rev limiter in fourth gear when crossing the quarter mile.

3.73s
28.5" tall tire (305/35-20)
114.5mph



I dunno about you, but I would expect at least that kinda trap for a modded coyote...

You will want to give yourself a little cushion. Peak power with the stock intake is going to be around 6,500. 118 with a 27" tire and 3.55 is ~6,900.

Brent is/was trapping around 118 with his setup consisting of Boss IM, and all those other goodies. I would think I would be slightly below that, but I don't mind going with a 27" tire at all. Actually, that would be nice to drive to the track on a tire setup that wasn't 1" shorter OD in the rear. LOL

But yes, in perfect math/conditions, a 27" tire would but me basically at 120 at 7000 RPM. 120 MPH should be a low-mid 11 sec pass, correct?

[downtime!]

Mine has crossed the line at 7200 since day one, naturally aspirated at 115 mph and blown at 130 mph. Gearing is gearing.

[wbt]

Brent is/was trapping around 118 with his setup consisting of Boss IM, and all those other goodies. I would think I would be slightly below that, but I don't mind going with a 27" tire at all. Actually, that would be nice to drive to the track on a tire setup that wasn't 1" shorter OD in the rear. LOL

But yes, in perfect math/conditions, a 27" tire would but me basically at 120 at 7000 RPM. 120 MPH should be a low-mid 11 sec pass, correct?

Yes all things considered.

[downtime!]

Brent is/was trapping around 118 with his setup consisting of Boss IM, and all those other goodies. I would think I would be slightly below that, but I don't mind going with a 27" tire at all. Actually, that would be nice to drive to the track on a tire setup that wasn't 1" shorter OD in the rear. LOL

But yes, in perfect math/conditions, a 27" tire would but me basically at 120 at 7000 RPM. 120 MPH should be a low-mid 11 sec pass, correct?My best n/a pass was 11.67 @ 119, so yep, pretty close.

[46Tbird]

If you're buying a dedicated drag wheel/tire setup, get the 28s. They will work fine with your n/a combo and give you room to grow.

[DirtyD]

If you're buying a dedicated drag wheel/tire setup, get the 28s. They will work fine with your n/a combo and give you room to grow.
You're right. It doesn't hurt to give room for growth. Plus when I go boost in years down the road and swap to 3.31s, that will help prevent me from going into 5th hopefully...

[Oxford14Stang]

It doesn't really matter. We're all slow. :D

[STROKD]

Assuming my redline is set to 7200 RPM, in 4th gear (1.32:1) with 3.55s and a 27" tire, I'll be turning around 123-124 MPH.

A 26" tire would basically give me 118-119 MPH at 7200 RPM redline

I think a 26" tire height is my best bet for the power level I will have my car at for a long while before boost. I should never trap more than 118-119 if I'm around 420-430 rwhp (after E85 conversion and maybe a TB). Right?

soundsa bout right... also, the Quick Times are bias ply, they grow about an inch when they are wound up, so you can prob go closer to 122...:favorites13: Absolute WORST case after you have the tires, bump the revlimiter 100-200 rpm if you are tagging it. Those motors will spin to the moon and not g.a.f.

[STROKD]

You're right. It doesn't hurt to give room for growth. Plus when I go boost in years down the road and swap to 3.31s, that will help prevent me from going into 5th hopefully...

YEARS? the tires will be either bald or hard as rocks in YEARS... get the 26 or 27s for now and when you get a blower you can buy some new tires... its not like they are some huge investment, they are like 180 bucks a piece. lmao.

[DirtyD]

YEARS? the tires will be either bald or hard as rocks in YEARS... get the 26 or 27s for now and when you get a blower you can buy some new tires... its not like they are some huge investment, they are like 180 bucks a piece. lmao.

I wasn't really talking about the tires anymore, but the fact I could get lower gearing and be fine for whatever tire.

[JDBishopArts]

My 20s and 3.73's are ideal for drag racing for sure.

[Doug1227]

about as much as my 19's and 3.15's.

[GunsUp]

My 20s and 3.73's are ideal for drag racing for sure.
11.9:rockit:

[DirtyD]

My 20s and 3.73's are ideal for drag racing for sure.

5th gear FTW