400 ft lb at N/A

[KungFuHamster]

I was looking at some car magazines the other day and noticed that a lot of the new 5.0's, even with modifications don't break 400 ft lb of tq at the tire. Then I started looking at peoples signatures, and the same seems to be true. Not saying there are none, but it doesn't seem to be common.

I'm talking about a basic bolt on car, also. Headers, CAI, tune, etc.

I think the tune is where the main difference is.

My car put down 404 ft lb at True Street's dyno then almost cracked it on Brooks' Dyno with 399 ft lb.

Is this even worth discussing? Or am I just way off base and out of touch with reality.

[Midnight11]

Most have the boss intake on that's why

[BLK2012GT]

Boss intake kills the tq. You can do an aftermarket TB and porting of the boss intake runners to pick the tq loss back up.

[KungFuHamster]

Most have the boss intake on that's why

Boss intake kills the tq. You can do an aftermarket TB and porting of the boss intake runners to pick the tq loss back up.
and that's what i figured was the culprit.

but now lets look at this, and Midnight11 I will use your car for comparison as you have all your mods and hp/tq numbers in your sig.

Your car (assuming the numbers are current) makes 19 more peak hp than my car, but my car makes 28 more peak tq.

Our cars are daily driven street cars, not race cars. I would think as heavy as our cars are that torque would be sought after.

I don't post on here much so I don't know how sensitive folks are, so let me re-iterate this is not an attack on Midnight11's car, I was just using it for illustration purposes.

[BLK2012GT]

and that's what i figured was the culprit.

but now lets look at this, and Midnight11 I will use your car for comparison as you have all your mods and hp/tq numbers in your sig.

Your car (assuming the numbers are current) makes 19 more peak hp than my car, but my car makes 28 more peak tq.

Our cars are daily driven street cars, not race cars. I would think as heavy as our cars are that torque would be sought after.

I don't post on here much so I don't know how sensitive folks are, so let me re-iterate this is not an attack on Midnight11's car, I was just using it for illustration purposes.

Dude attack away. You can say it his car is a slow turd. Lol

But the gearing in the tranny makes up for that especially in first gear. When I did that I made almost the same numbers the car stilled launch pretty hard plus I was able to rev the engine 700 rpms higher for more horsepower where the stock manifold starts dropping off around 6800 rpms.

[Midnight11]

I don't daily my car and these cars are slow unless its boosted

[Grandpa]

My car with just a Lethal Hpipe, gt500's and a tune makes 412rw/416rwtq. Stock intake/airbox.

[Grandpa]

I don't daily my car and these cars are slow unless its boosted

Agreed.

[BLK2012GT]

I don't daily my car and these cars are slow unless its boosted

Ok Steve. Smh

[BLK2012GT]

Agreed.

Not this shit again.

[Phuck Phace]

I agree, even with nitrous and ported heads these cars move slow.

[Phuck Phace]

PS, Only the E85 cars are fast.

[BLK2012GT]

I agree, even with nitrous and ported heads these cars move slow.

Hell boosted cars don't move at all.

[Grandpa]

I agree, even with hypothetical nitrous and ported heads these cars move slow.

Fixed.


Jeff, we just have different opinions on what is fast. No need to troll with it.

[BLK2012GT]

Fixed.


Jeff, we just have different opinions on what is fast. No need to troll with it.

Yea, cause you don't even own is consider fast. People with 70k dollars plus cars with 30k plus into it and you rode in them is fast. Man anything with 700 rwhp is fast.

[Grandpa]

Yea, cause you don't even own is consider fast. People with 70k dollars plus cars with 30k plus into it and you rode in them is fast. Man anything with 700 rwhp is fast.


That's your opinion, I disagree.

My junk is slow and always will be. I'm okay with it. lol

[BLK2012GT]

That's your opinion, I disagree.

My junk is slow and always will be. I'm okay with it. lol

Your junk is slow cause its basically stock. I said 700 rwhp plus is fast. And god damnit why do you have to derail every thread.

[Phuck Phace]

Man anything with 700 rwhp is fast.

I disagree.

[BLK2012GT]

I disagree.

What needs to be lower for you?:happy175:

[Grandpa]

Ok Steve. Smh

Not this shit again.

Your junk is slow cause its basically stock. I said 700 rwhp plus is fast. And god damnit why do you have to derail every thread.

You have an accountability issue there, Jeff. I believe you started the derailment with the top two posts and David came along fueling it.



Back on topic -


Yes, 400tq is very common. I think it really depends on what kind of dyno you were on. Some are more generous than others.

[BLK2012GT]

You have an accountability issue there, Jeff. I believe you started the derailment with the top two posts and David came along fueling it.



Back on topic -


Yes, 400tq is very common. I think it really depends on what kind of dyno you were on. Some are more generous than others.

Yeah I said after you and Nic. Do you have selective reading?

[Grandpa]

Yeah I said after you and Nic. Do you have selective reading?

I posted my numbers and agreed with Nic. You just don't like my opinion. That is fine, get over it and let the thread go on.

[BLK2012GT]

I posted my numbers and agreed with Nic. You just don't like my opinion. That is fine, get over it and let the thread go on.

And when I post something you guys always post something afterwards. So do what you preach.

[DirtyD]

It's hard to compare dyno numbers between cars unless they were both dynoed on the same day, and dyno, with as close to the same exact weather as possible, and the dyno tech hit the trigger at the exact right moment on both cars.

Just too many factors to come into play. (You like this post don't you Steve? Lol)

It also depends on how the TQ values are determined. A calculated TQ value done from the load on the dyno (like Brooks') may be way off from one calculated by RPM sensor and such like TS does.

[46Tbird]

Car 1 and Car 2 weigh the same, have the same gearing, same tires, and twin brothers driving.

Car 1 makes 400tq at 2500rpm and 400hp at 6500

Car 2 makes 375tq at 2500rpm and 425hp at 6500

Car 2 wins the race every time, assuming the driver knows that you don't let the engine drop to 2500rpm during a race.

[DirtyD]

Car 1 and Car 2 weigh the same, have the same gearing, same tires, and twin brothers driving.

Car 1 makes 400tq at 2500rpm and 400hp at 6500

Car 2 makes 375tq at 2500rpm and 425hp at 6500

Car 2 wins the race every time, assuming the driver knows that you don't let the engine drop to 2500rpm during a race.

Are we talking about a dog or roll race? LOL

[KungFuHamster]

It's hard to compare dyno numbers between cars unless they were both dynoed on the same day, and dyno, with as close to the same exact weather as possible, and the dyno tech hit the trigger at the exact right moment on both cars.

Just too many factors to come into play. (You like this post don't you Steve? Lol)

It also depends on how the TQ values are determined. A calculated TQ value done from the load on the dyno (like Brooks') may be way off from one calculated by RPM sensor and such like TS does.

I get what your saying. But my car was was within 5-6 hp and 5 ft lb on Brooks' dyno on a hotter day, so I would consider that an accurate measure. I understand the variation between weather and dynos and what not and that of course, makes sense.

my thing is I believe a street car that makes 30 ft lb across the board will be faster than a car that makes 20 or so at the very top of the tach.

[BLK2012GT]

Wtf? Damn you guys know how to derail a thread. Lmao and by the way car two would win from a roll or dig.

[jrhagen]

I have over 400 tq

[BLK2012GT]

I have over 400 tq

So do I even with the boss intake.

[DirtyD]

I get what your saying. But my car was was within 5-6 hp and 5 ft lb on Brooks' dyno on a hotter day, so I would consider that an accurate measure. I understand the variation between weather and dynos and what not and that of course, makes sense.

my thing is I believe a street car that makes 30 ft lb across the board will be faster than a car that makes 20 or so at the very top of the tach.

TQ decreases after the max RPM as you transition to having HP move the car. If you have enough HP and a long enough road, a low TQ car could catch and pass a high TQ car, of course that is a very sketchy example. I may get bombed for it, but oh well.

[Grandpa]

It's hard to compare dyno numbers between cars unless they were both dynoed on the same day, and dyno, with as close to the same exact weather as possible, and the dyno tech hit the trigger at the exact right moment on both cars.

Just too many factors to come into play. (You like this post don't you Steve? Lol)

It also depends on how the TQ values are determined. A calculated TQ value done from the load on the dyno (like Brooks') may be way off from one calculated by RPM sensor and such like TS does.

LOL, I'm rub my wiener all over it.

I get what your saying. But my car was was within 5-6 hp and 5 ft lb on Brooks' dyno on a hotter day, so I would consider that an accurate measure. I understand the variation between weather and dynos and what not and that of course, makes sense.

my thing is I believe a street car that makes 30 ft lb across the board will be faster than a car that makes 20 or so at the very top of the tach.

Obviously the power under the curve is far more important than peak power but you know this.

There is an interesting conversation taking place on SVTP about something like this with the Paxton vs TVS type powerbands.

[JDBishopArts]

Here is my dyno sheet.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/jlacoy82/dyno.jpg

[BLK2012GT]

Here is my dyno sheet.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/jlacoy82/dyno.jpg

Looks like Nics and Steve's.

[Grandpa]

Looks like Nics and Steve's.

Those are my inflated numbers.

[STROKD]

Yea, cause you don't even own is consider fast. People with 70k dollars plus cars with 30k plus into it and you rode in them is fast. Man anything with 700 rwhp is fast.

My old setup would cost about 25-30 grand to replicate, not including the car... It would have pissed you off badly on your setup with juice, and it was built in the 90s.

You talk like Steve and other folks on here haven't been doing this shit for decades man. :whymewhyme:

I took it apart in 2007 because I myself thought it was slow, and I was bored with it... there weren't many cars around then that were "fast" compared to today... If you dont make 700+ rw today, it's considered stock.

[03MachMe]

I love the big talk by all the people saying everything under 1k hp is slow... And yet most everyone on here has less than half that. Want slow? Drive my Colorado, that is slow, my wifes edge that is slow. But I'm sorry anything with 400hp is fast. Is it the fastest, by no means it is but when you are faster than 90% of cars on the road then you are fast. The shit yall talk about and claim are the only fast cars are considered retarded fast. So quit with the high and mighty nothing is fast bull

[Phuck Phace]

My sex game is fast.

[Midnight11]

Looks like Nics and Steve's.

I had my 15 in wheels on that day

[DirtyD]

I love the big talk by all the people saying everything under 1k hp is slow... And yet most everyone on here has less than half that. Want slow? Drive my Colorado, that is slow, my wifes edge that is slow. But I'm sorry anything with 400hp is fast. Is it the fastest, by no means it is but when you are faster than 90% of cars on the road then you are fast. The shit yall talk about and claim are the only fast cars are considered retarded fast. So quit with the high and mighty nothing is fast bull

Give it to them, Ryan. :nutkick:

My car is the fastest vehicle I've ever owned, fastest I've ever ridden in, and fastest I've ever drove. That is good enough for me until I actually get to drive or ride in something faster.

[merlinmol]

I think fast is relative to what you are talking about. I know most people on here are for drag racing, but you could take most of these cars with their suspension setups and run on a road course or even autox and they would be fast and fun as hell. In the OP's case if he just daily drives his, the higher tq numbers would be fun for just day to day use.

[Grandpa]

I love the big talk by all the people saying everything under 1k hp is slow... And yet most everyone on here has less than half that. Want slow? Drive my Colorado, that is slow, my wifes edge that is slow. But I'm sorry anything with 400hp is fast. Is it the fastest, by no means it is but when you are faster than 90% of cars on the road then you are fast. The shit yall talk about and claim are the only fast cars are considered retarded fast. So quit with the high and mighty nothing is fast bull

There is nothing high and mighty about saying that, I don't know how you are coming to that conclusion. Yes, compared to the general public driving Prius's and Camry's, yes the Mustang is fast. But when referring to the hobby and being competitive to other makes and models that go to meets and events, Mustangs are not typically among the faster group of cars.

Fast is relative to what you are used to. If someone has never had a 500rw car, or been in a 700rw+ car, then yeah, it's fast for them. But it doesn't mean 700rw+ is competitive in the local scene, because it's not, not even close.

I know of a certain 780rw Cobra that was recruited to be a camera car for a couple of "C teamers" to film the race. The Cobra was up ahead by 7 or 8 car lengths, he took off on the hit ahead of them and got passed before he knew it and got a football field put on him.

Now normally, a 780rw Cobra would be fast as fuck for most people, but among the "fast" crowd it's not even quick enough to be a camera car. This was a few years ago and now street cars have gotten even faster. No one even blinks anymore when they hear 1000rw+.

Hell, Clint had his TT Cobra that made like 1043rw and that was years ago already and the races were tight then. Now, 1000rw makes you only a C teamer at best. To be on the "mountain" or the "A team" you're talking 1500rw+.

Now if you're just looking to have a fun street car with no expectations of going out to be competitive, then 600-700rw is plenty for a street car to have fun with.

[Brn N Rubr]

Car 1 and Car 2 weigh the same, have the same gearing, same tires, and twin brothers driving.

Car 1 makes 400tq at 2500rpm and 400hp at 6500

Car 2 makes 375tq at 2500rpm and 425hp at 6500

Car 2 wins the race every time, assuming the driver knows that you don't let the engine drop to 2500rpm during a race.

Wtf? Damn you guys know how to derail a thread. Lmao and by the way car two would win from a roll or dig.


So....Car 1 now makes 412tq at 6000rpm and 525hp at 7000rpm

Car 2 now makes 616tq at 4400rpm and 576hp at 5200rpmn

Who wins now (taking for granted both cars have good tires)? :)

[03MachMe]

Ok and most of these "fast" cars are good for one thing. Roll racing. Most are not even set up to do anything more than 60-150 the fastest which to me is retarded. I guess most of the people have not seen what happens when cars crash going that fast on a public road and it's the cop in me coming out but it is just plain stupid. There is a professional league for drag, road course, hell even cars that drive sideways but not one for the cars that are only fast from a roll. You ever wonder why that is? If your car is making 1k hp but you run 11s at the track because you can't get traction till 100+mph then there is no point but to be the fastest speeder on the hwy. If you like going fast in a straight line cool, but be fast from all speeds not just a roll race. Like it was said it's all opinion I guess it just sounds like your trying to sound like your better than everyone because nothing is fast unless you make more hp than is 99.9% of all cars on the road.

[Grandpa]

Here is an example of what I'm talking about. Keep in mind this is FOUR years ago and cars have gotten much faster.

Clint's blue Cobra makes an appearance around the 2 minute mark. The Supra that record the race was no joke either.

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[White_lightning]

Some one say C team?

who was foof video taping racing?:)

[03MachMe]

Not available on mobile and I'm in San Antonio so no computer. Let me guess a bunch of 1k hp cars roll racing? See above post

[Grandpa]

Ok and most of these "fast" cars are good for one thing. Roll racing. Most are not even set up to do anything more than 60-150 the fastest which to me is retarded. I guess most of the people have not seen what happens when cars crash going that fast on a public road and it's the cop in me coming out but it is just plain stupid. There is a professional league for drag, road course, hell even cars that drive sideways but not one for the cars that are only fast from a roll. You ever wonder why that is? If your car is making 1k hp but you run 11s at the track because you can't get traction till 100+mph then there is no point but to be the fastest speeder on the hwy. If you like going fast in a straight line cool, but be fast from all speeds not just a roll race. Like it was said it's all opinion I guess it just sounds like your trying to sound like your better than everyone because nothing is fast unless you make more hp than is 99.9% of all cars on the road.

First, I don't see how you are saying I'm better than anyone, I'm not. I didn't say that. I said my car was slow, that is MY opinion. I've been exposed to a lot of these fast cars and driving/riding in several of them. I like all kinds of racing, not just drag racing or turns, going fast in a high powered roll car is a BLAST and like nothing you've ever experienced, I can promise you that.

There are many roll racing events now and more catching on like wildfire every year. Like the Texas Mile, or Texas Invitational, or long canyon type racing like the Silver State Classic...all LEGAL events.

As far as useless at the track -not true at all. Will's Supra will pull over 230mph and runs well into the 8's and he's still rowing gears. Put an auto in it and its easy 7's all day.

Back in the day, maybe the 11's @ 140mph might have been somewhat true, but that's not the case anymore with tech and parts available.

[STROKD]

I love the big talk by all the people saying everything under 1k hp is slow... And yet most everyone on here has less than half that. Want slow? Drive my Colorado, that is slow, my wifes edge that is slow. But I'm sorry anything with 400hp is fast. Is it the fastest, by no means it is but when you are faster than 90% of cars on the road then you are fast. The shit yall talk about and claim are the only fast cars are considered retarded fast. So quit with the high and mighty nothing is fast bull

u are used to driving a police car... 400 hp in a near 4000 lb weight is slow man.

Its what you get used to.

[Grandpa]

u are used to driving a police car... 400 hp in a near 4000 lb weight is slow man.

Its what you get used to.

But at least he has the cool lights and shit where he can run all the lights!

[STROKD]

Some one say C team?

who was foof video taping racing?:)

I think it was Kelly and Alex... Foof was making 500 something then, how do I know, cause we ran the same night and I held him off in my Cobra cause he had Jared in his car slowing him down... if he was making 700 anything back then he would have disappeared.

Steve has a good point though, everything else he posted was truth except C teamers making 1000 rw... C is more like 500-800ish. depending on weight of car.

[03MachMe]

You are both missing the point. You comment on every thread that unless it has some retarded amount of power it is slow. That makes you sound cocky. I know my patrol car is slow in a straight line but the majority of us can drive better on the street with traffic and turns because we are trained to do so, that's why you see cars with a lot more power having a hard time avoiding the police unless it's a bike or on a long stretch of hwy. I agree it's what your used to but to tell every one else their car is not fast because it only makes 600hp is retarded

[STROKD]

But at least he has the cool lights and shit where he can run all the lights!

hell yea!

My Vette felt slow to me, and it was as fast as my hatch on it's best day to 145-150ish...

[Grandpa]

Some one say C team?

who was foof video taping racing?:)

That night it was Kelly and CammedC6 if I recalling correctly. It was Kelly and a blown Vette for sure.

[Grandpa]

I think it was Kelly and Alex... Foof was making 500 something then, how do I know, cause we ran the same night and I held him off in my Cobra cause he had Jared in his car slowing him down... if he was making 700 anything back then he would have disappeared.

Steve has a good point though, everything else he posted was truth except C teamers making 1000 rw... C is more like 500-800ish. depending on weight of car.

Different night. That was funny though, I thought he was going to push Jared out the window. lol.

[Grandpa]

You are both missing the point. You comment on every thread that unless it has some retarded amount of power it is slow. That makes you sound cocky. I know my patrol car is slow in a straight line but the majority of us can drive better on the street with traffic and turns because we are trained to do so, that's why you see cars with a lot more power having a hard time avoiding the police unless it's a bike or on a long stretch of hwy. I agree it's what your used to but to tell every one else their car is not fast because it only makes 600hp is retarded

Ok, well it's just a difference in opinion. I don't see how that makes me cocky, but okay. I don't get why some are so sensitive to this subject. My car is slow, I'm not hurt by it. It is what is. Even with boost making 600rw, you will never hear me say the car is fast, because it wont be compared to what else is out there to competitive with. That's just being realistic, not cocky. I don't see how I can be cocky on the losing side of the equation. Now, if I had a 1000rw car and came in here telling everyone they were slow, that would be completely different and very cocky.

[White_lightning]

Ok and most of these "fast" cars are good for one thing. Roll racing. Most are not even set up to do anything more than 60-150 the fastest which to me is retarded. I guess most of the people have not seen what happens when cars crash going that fast on a public road and it's the cop in me coming out but it is just plain stupid. There is a professional league for drag, road course, hell even cars that drive sideways but not one for the cars that are only fast from a roll. You ever wonder why that is? If your car is making 1k hp but you run 11s at the track because you can't get traction till 100+mph then there is no point but to be the fastest speeder on the hwy. If you like going fast in a straight line cool, but be fast from all speeds not just a roll race. Like it was said it's all opinion I guess it just sounds like your trying to sound like your better than everyone because nothing is fast unless you make more hp than is 99.9% of all cars on the road.

I think Fast is relative.. IMO compared to 99% of the populace running around in 150 hp civics.. a 400 hp mustang is a monster..

but when you are in a group where 1000 hp barely makes the cut it's slow..

Ultimatly.. 200 hp.. or 1000 hp.. As long as you are happy with your car does it really matter what anyone else thinks?

[Grandpa]

I think Fast is relative.. IMO compared to 99% of the populace running around in 150 hp civics.. a 400 hp mustang is a monster..

but when you are in a group where 1000 hp barely makes the cut it's slow..

Ultimatly.. 200 hp.. or 1000 hp.. As long as you are happy with your car does it really matter what anyone else thinks?

Exactly!

[STROKD]

That night it was Kelly and CammedC6 if I recalling correctly. It was Kelly and a blown Vette for sure.

cammed c6 never had a blower to my knowledge... and im not even sure he was fast 4 years ago...

[White_lightning]

You are both missing the point. You comment on every thread that unless it has some retarded amount of power it is slow. That makes you sound cocky. I know my patrol car is slow in a straight line but the majority of us can drive better on the street with traffic and turns because we are trained to do so, that's why you see cars with a lot more power having a hard time avoiding the police unless it's a bike or on a long stretch of hwy. I agree it's what your used to but to tell every one else their car is not fast because it only makes 600hp is retarded

My Father in Law is a retired Beaumont police officer who was an instructor at the Houston Persuit driving school..
The patrol cars are setup to stay close to people in traffic and around bussy streets. That being said the average idiot running from the cops is in a 98 civic or 95 caprice, so it's a lot easier to keep up..

IMO a 1000 hp Car would not be able to evade in a situation where heavy traffic was involved or doing stupid shit through a neighbor hood. it doesn't matter how much HP you have if you cant go anywhere..

that being said.. I don't think anyone here Evades police.. :)

[White_lightning]

That night it was Kelly and CammedC6 if I recalling correctly. It was Kelly and a blown Vette for sure.

which Kelly? Hollywood? he hasn't street raced in a decade lol.. and cammed C6 has never raced with more than 530 rwhp on the street as far as I know..

[STROKD]

that being said.. I don't think anyone here Evades police.. :)

Ive never, I just hit 88 mph and disappear in time.:happy3:

[STROKD]

which Kelly? Hollywood? he hasn't street raced in a decade lol.. and cammed C6 has never raced with more than 530 rwhp on the street as far as I know..

Drew was making ALMOST 600 when he brought out the 427 setup... it was pretty damn fast, he put like 6+ on Chris's 09 Viper...

[White_lightning]

Drew was making ALMOST 600 when he brought out the 427 setup... it was pretty damn fast, he put like 6+ on Chris's 09 Viper...

aaah cool.. didnt know he ran anyone at that setup

[Grandpa]

cammed c6 never had a blower to my knowledge... and im not even sure he was fast 4 years ago...

I dunno, it's all beginning to blur together now. I think it's been longer than that now. Jeremy has been in law school the last 3 1/2 and his car was making more than 700 for awhile before that. We are getting old. lol.



that being said.. I don't think anyone here Evades police.. :)

There is no need to anymore. There is many, many roll racing/half mile/mile events near round all over the place. Roll racing isn't just for the highway anymore. It's just as legit as racing in a parking lot avoiding cones, drag racing and drifting. It's all motorsports!

which Kelly? Hollywood? he hasn't street raced in a decade lol.. and cammed C6 has never raced with more than 530 rwhp on the street as far as I know..

I could be wrong, but I know it wasn't that goofball Alex. lol.

To tell you how long it's been, Donkey's car was running! hahaha.

[Toby]

You are both missing the point. You comment on every thread that unless it has some retarded amount of power it is slow. That makes you sound cocky. I know my patrol car is slow in a straight line but the majority of us can drive better on the street with traffic and turns because we are trained to do so, that's why you see cars with a lot more power having a hard time avoiding the police unless it's a bike or on a long stretch of hwy. I agree it's what your used to but to tell every one else their car is not fast because it only makes 600hp is retarded

I could not agree more!! It seems that if you dont make a billion hp and do nothing but roll race, your car is considered slow and everyone sticks their nose in the air at you.

[White_lightning]

I could be wrong, but I know it wasn't that goofball Alex. lol.

To tell you how long it's been, Donkey's car was running! hahaha.

im pretty sure that was NOT cammed C6..

[Grandpa]

I could not agree more!! It seems that if you dont make a billion hp and do nothing but roll race, your car is considered slow and everyone sticks their nose in the air at you.

That is complete nonsense. I don't have a fast car and I know most of those guys and the majority of them are good people.

[re-rx7]

I think Fast is relative.. IMO compared to 99% of the populace running around in 150 hp civics.. a 400 hp mustang is a monster..

but when you are in a group where 1000 hp barely makes the cut it's slow..

Ultimatly.. 200 hp.. or 1000 hp.. As long as you are happy with your car does it really matter what anyone else thinks?

Amen feld! A+ post!

[re-rx7]

I could not agree more!! It seems that if you dont make a billion hp and do nothing but roll race, your car is considered slow and everyone sticks their nose in the air at you.

I consider 11's a fast fun street car.

[Toby]

I think Fast is relative.. IMO compared to 99% of the populace running around in 150 hp civics.. a 400 hp mustang is a monster..

but when you are in a group where 1000 hp barely makes the cut it's slow..

Ultimatly.. 200 hp.. or 1000 hp.. As long as you are happy with your car does it really matter what anyone else thinks?

Well put!

I consider 11's a fast fun street car.

Yes exactly!

[re-rx7]

Well put!



Yes exactly!

Where we are from 11's is a monster lol. 10's a god!! If I get beat after I finish my mods I'm not going to try and make it faster. Once I hit 500-550 on the juice I'm done.

[mustang1200]

Where we are from 11's is a monster lol. 10's a god!! If I get beat after I finish my mods I'm not going to try and make it faster. Once I hit 500-550 on the juice I'm done.

That's what they all say. Then it's 600, then 700 and your like fuck it let's do 1000.

[Grandpa]

That's what they all say. Then it's 600, then 700 and your like fuck it let's do 1000.

So true. You get used to the power over time where no matter what it makes it starts to feel slower after awhile. By the time I sold my Cobra, it felt like a go-kart like I could just throw it around like a stock car.

[re-rx7]

That's what they all say. Then it's 600, then 700 and your like fuck it let's do 1000.

And usually I would agree. I watched that link that was posted about a guy in a supra that kept chasing #'s and how he stated the car got less and less fun because it was broke all the time. I just feel like 500-550 is that happy medium for the tranny and motor. Plus I like drivin my turd.

[Grandpa]

And usually I would agree. I watched that link that was posted about a guy in a supra that kept chasing #'s and how he stated the car got less and less fun because it was broke all the time. I just feel like 500-550 is that happy medium for the tranny and motor. Plus I like drivin my turd.

Now that I will certainly agree with! A broken car is a no fun car. I'll be happy with my "slow" car because it seems like all the high HP cars are broken most of the time, or the guys are afraid to drive them hard because they break a lot of stuff and that doesn't seem fun at all. But man, when they are going fast it's fun as hell! I'll just enjoy it vicariously through my friends and enjoy my slow car running every time I want to drive it. lol.

[re-rx7]

Now that I will certainly agree with! A broken car is a no fun car. I'll be happy with my "slow" car because it seems like all the high HP cars are broken most of the time, or the guys are afraid to drive them hard because they break a lot of stuff and that doesn't seem fun at all. But man, when they are going fast it's fun as hell! I'll just enjoy it vicariously through my friends and enjoy my slow car running every time I want to drive it. lol.

It really is the truth. I love watching them but they do break. ALOT. I think the coyote would be happy at about 550. The rousch charger delivers just about that number. In the end it seems to be chasing your tail. You get beat you make your car faster then beat him. Then another car beats you and there you go again. it's true though you get used to power. Sometimes I drive mine and think something has broke just because it doesn't feel as quick.

[BLK2012GT]

God I wish I was cool and knew as much as all the old fucks!!!!!

[Rebelracer568]

Whats best way to get torque number numbers up on boss intake. My car made 440rwhp and 378tq on sae numbers. Id like more torque

[Dominic Toretto]

As far as the conversation about torque, these cars do make more torque than most Ferraris. I wouldn't worry about torque so much as horsepower.

Anyone checked out this manifold? Claims to not lose any torque as the BOSS intake does. http://www.lethalperformance.com/2011-2012-2013-2014-mustang-gt-5-0l/induction/intake-manifolds/ford-racing-cobra-jet-5-0l-4v-intake-manifold.html

-Alex

[Rebelracer568]

As far as the conversation about torque, these cars do make more torque than most Ferraris. I wouldn't worry about torque so much as horsepower.

Anyone checked out this manifold? Claims to not lose any torque as the BOSS intake does. http://www.lethalperformance.com/2011-2012-2013-2014-mustang-gt-5-0l/induction/intake-manifolds/ford-racing-cobra-jet-5-0l-4v-intake-manifold.html

-Alex
That intake is designed for 8000rpm shifts. Doesnt lose anymore torque than boss and increases high rpm power. Alot of extra spending me make it work. Alot of people claim makes awesome power 5000 rpms and up

[Dominic Toretto]

That intake is designed for 8000rpm shifts. Doesnt lose anymore torque than boss and increases high rpm power. Alot of extra spending me make it work. Alot of people claim makes awesome power 5000 rpms and up

I barely see those rpm ranges in my driving lol.

-Alex

[Grandpa]

Whats best way to get torque number numbers up on boss intake. My car made 440rwhp and 378tq on sae numbers. Id like more torque

Add boost/nitrous. lol.

The Boss intake was designed for the high revving Roadrunner motor in the Boss that was meant for the road course racing moving the powerband upwards.

[Dominic Toretto]

Whats best way to get torque number numbers up on boss intake.

Stroker kit?

What are your current mods?

-Alex

[Rebelracer568]

Add boost/nitrous. lol.

The Boss intake was designed for the high revving Roadrunner motor in the Boss that was meant for the road course racing moving the powerband upwards.

Haha wish I could afford either on lol. Yea there designed for road course and high rpm pulling. I was just wondering if there simple mods to help boost tq numbers

[Rebelracer568]

Stroker kit?

What are your current mods?

-Alex

Fully bolted on. Cai, long tubes, catted x, boss intake, 85mm bbk throttle body,

[Grandpa]

Haha wish I could afford either on lol. Yea there designed for road course and high rpm pulling. I was just wondering if there simple mods to help boost tq numbers

Longtubes and more gear are a good way to add torque.

[Rebelracer568]

Longtubes and more gear are a good way to add torque.

I have jba 1 7/8 long tubes already installed with catted x pipe

[rriddle3]

"Horsepower is what you read about, torque is what you feel."

"Torque gets you moving quickly, horsepower keeps you moving more quickly."

Both these old saws are true. You like that feeling you get when you're pushed back in your seat? That's torque. You like the feeling that the car just keeps going faster and faster? That's horsepower.

The Coyote is an OHC engine and as a rule of thumb they don't produce the same type torque level compared to horsepower that a big OHV engine will.

[Dominic Toretto]

Fully bolted on. Cai, long tubes, catted x, boss intake, 85mm bbk throttle body,

440hp is very nice for an NA car with no internal work, good job. 370+ torque at the wheels is an improvement over stock as well and they punch pretty well stock. That's like an a near 100hp increase over stock. So I am sure, you definitely notice that your car is much faster now regardless of the not as huge torque increase right?

-Alex

[Rebelracer568]

440hp is very nice for an NA car with no internal work, good job. 370+ torque at the wheels is an improvement over stock as well and they punch pretty well stock. That's like an a near 100hp increase over stock. So I am sure, you definitely notice that your car is much faster now regardless of the not as huge torque increase right?

-Alex

Yea car pulls good, really enjoy the car im just wanting little more torque. I plan on road course running my car. Just like that that torque pull