500 n/a rwhp

[GTRacerX]

What would it take to get a 2011-2014 5.0 to 500 rwhp naturally aspirated? Would it cost the same to just slap a blower or Turbo kit on there with a good tune? Also on a separate note does anyone make good cylinder heads for our motors yet?

[Zeek]

JPC has a 500hp N/A kit. Its like 3k

[Grandpa]

JPC has a 500hp N/A kit. Its like 3k

LMAO! Oh boy, here we go. :hidesbehindsofa:

[re-rx7]

I thought about it but decided on spray and boltons.

[Grandpa]

What would it take to get a 2011-2014 5.0 to 500 rwhp naturally aspirated? Would it cost the same to just slap a blower or Turbo kit on there with a good tune? Also on a separate note does anyone make good cylinder heads for our motors yet?

Save yourself the headache and just get a blower. You will make well over 500rw without a problem and more cost effective manner.

[Zeek]

Nvm $6200 http://www.jpcracing.com/top-dogjpc-2011-coyote-500hp-package/

[Grandpa]

Nvm $6200 http://www.jpcracing.com/top-dogjpc-2011-coyote-500hp-package/

Jeff has this package from JPC. You can ask him his opinion of it.

For $4650 you can make well over 600rw with a Paxton from Beefcake.

[GTRacerX]

Nvm $6200 http://www.jpcracing.com/top-dogjpc-2011-coyote-500hp-package/

Yea I looked at that so figured what's the point I can get nitrous/blower/single turbo kit about that price

Jeff has this package from JPC. You can ask him his opinion of it.

For $4650 you can make well over 600rw with a Paxton from Beefcake.

Yea as cool as it sounds to be able to tell someone you make 500+rwhp naturally aspirated still kinda pointless if you can just slap a power adder on there and make the same or more. Want a Twin Turbo kit but don't feel like dropping $8,500+ on the kit. If you wanna play you gotta pay I guess lol.

[JDMLOL]

It's funny how the cost of each additional horsepower goes up exponentially after a certain point.

[merlinmol]

Yea as cool as it sounds to be able to tell someone you make 500+rwhp naturally aspirated still kinda pointless if you can just slap a power adder on there and make the same or more.

Sounds like we all just need to get a z06/heads/cam/tune and call it a day for 500rwhp... Guess I need to sell the mustang :yaoface2:

[Grandpa]

Sounds like we all just need to get a z06/heads/cam/tune and call it a day for 500rwhp... Guess I need to sell the mustang :yaoface2:

Now you're making sense! :D

[GTOphil]

Under $5k for a blower setup??

Where?

[Midnight11]

Under $5k for a blower setup??

Where?

paxton kit
id1000s
bap

beefcake racing, pretty sure its 4615.... not that im saving or anything lol :D

[GTOphil]

Hmm...interesting. I was planning $5500 for the pro charger p1sc kit.

[Midnight11]

Hmm...interesting. I was planning $5500 for the pro charger p1sc kit.

paxton ftw

[BLK2012GT]

Jeff has this package from JPC. You can ask him his opinion of it.

For $4650 you can make well over 600rw with a Paxton from Beefcake.

Dude why do you keep telling people what I don't have. I don't have the jpc kit.

[Grandpa]

Hmm...interesting. I was planning $5500 for the pro charger p1sc kit.

The Paxton 2200 is a FAR superior unit over the Procharger units, especially the P1SC which is absolute garbage in my opinion. The Paxton is capable of flowing well over enough to make a 1000hp+ to where the P1SC is running out of steam at 550. For some odd reason, Prochargers also have more parasitic loss than any other blower out there, meaning they take more horsepower to turn than any other blower. They also tend to have MAF reading issues on these cars.

Customer service and replacement parts are far more readily available at Paxton as well. Hands down Paxton over a Procharger.

[Toby]

Jeff has this package from JPC. You can ask him his opinion of it.


This could not be farther from the truth. Not a single part on jeffs build is from jpc. There is not even a single part the same as what jpc uses. jeffs car would make much more power, but it is setup with the intention of using nitrous. We could have made a few changes to make over 500 rwhp n/a but it would not have been safe to spray the nitrous. Also on another note, we dynoed a car recently that had wheels similar to jeffs wheels. The car made 408 rwhp, we put a set of stock wheels and tires we had at the shop on the rear, and the car made 428 rwhp with NOTHING else changed!!! Just goes to show how much "power" you lose with heavy wheels and tires, hince the variation in ''dyno'' numbers you will see.


Jeffs car is a beast for what it is, anyone that disagrees, has no idea what they are talking about. 479 hp to the tires with approx 20% power loss to the tires put him around 574 hp to the flywheel. That is 1.824 hp per ci. That is a huge amount of power I don't care what anyone says!!!

[Grandpa]

Good lord. Jeff obviously forgot the conversation/joke we had at the dyno day. Completely over your heads. lol.

[Midnight11]

He is testy from his flight today

[Grandpa]

He is testy from his flight today

He always seems to be testy and grumpy lately. :shrug:

[downtime!]

with approx 20% power loss to the tires
This is the number that actually scares me on my car. Add that 20% back in and I'm at 745-750 at the crank. I like to call that the danger zone with stock rods! LOL!

[Zeek]

This is the number that actually scares me on my car. Add that 20% back in and I'm at 745-750 at the crank. I like to call that the danger zone with stock rods! LOL!

You will be ok as long as you don't detonate. Should be on E-85 IMO or start spraying meth.

[Toby]

This is the number that actually scares me on my car. Add that 20% back in and I'm at 745-750 at the crank. I like to call that the danger zone with stock rods! LOL!

As long as the tune is good, and you keep the rpms reasonable, you will be fine.

[downtime!]

As long as the tune is good, and you keep the rpms reasonable, you will be fine.The tune is good, and I don't rev it too high, except at the track (cross the line at 7200-7300 in 4th). Probably taking her apart anyway, so it's all good. Wanting a hot rod 3V again.

[46Tbird]

Jeff has this package from JPC. You can ask him his opinion of it.

Dude why do you keep telling people what I don't have. I don't have the jpc kit.

He always seems to be testy and grumpy lately. :shrug:

Well, you talk shit to him all the time. And then tell everyone he has something that he doesn't. You really wonder why he would be 'testy' about that?

[Bearded Banger]

^ yet I'm called the forum troll

[Grandpa]

Well, you talk shit to him all the time. And then tell everyone he has something that he doesn't. You really wonder why he would be 'testy' about that?

You're talking about something you have no clue about.You're speaking out of turn on something you're taking at face value from board nonsense. Mind your own business, Danny.

[Grandpa]

^ yet I'm called the forum troll

:happy175:

[Courtesy Flush]

You're talking about something you have no clue about.You're speaking out of turn on something you're taking at face value from board nonsense. Mind your own business, Danny.

who's the testy one again? ahaha

[46Tbird]

You're talking about something you have no clue about.You're speaking out of turn on something you're taking at face value from board nonsense. Mind your own business, Danny.

You always seem to be testy and grumpy lately. :shrug:

[Grandpa]

You always seem to be testy and grumpy lately. :shrug:

DFWM must be slow if you are trolling over here. lol

[BLK2012GT]

It's too early for me to get into detail of my car in this thread.

[DirtyD]

It's too early for me to get into detail of my car in this thread.
Go have a beer, bowl a few frames, then get back to us. LOL

[Grandpa]

Go have a beer, bowl a few frames, then get back to us. LOL

Jeff is a hack cranker who can't get it done without stripped backends.





lmao. I bet Jeff is the only other person who gets it.

[DirtyD]

Jeff is a hack cranker who can't get it done without stripped backends.





lmao. I bet Jeff is the only other person who gets it.
I know that's some sort of bowling talk, but it sounds dirty. Haha

[BLK2012GT]

That's pretty much the shot out here at Nationals. It's 41 feet with dry back ends and then single and doubles is 39 feet long. Talk about a lot of over/under out here. But I haven't bowled yet that's just what I've seen so far.

[Grandpa]

That's pretty much the shot out here at Nationals. It's 41 feet with dry back ends and then single and doubles is 39 feet long. Talk about a lot of over/under out here. But I haven't bowled yet that's just what I've seen so far.

Until you get all the hacks trying to play deep tearing up the heads creating a spotty reverse block. By the end of the set you'll find yourself standing all the way left pitching it over the ditch just to find a spot. I hated Nationals because of that shit. Having to play that deep I always end up hanging the corners. Hopefully you can cash decently and make some up for it in the brackets.

[BLK2012GT]

Well enough with the bowling talk. Lets get back to car stuff.

[re-rx7]

This could not be farther from the truth. Not a single part on jeffs build is from jpc. There is not even a single part the same as what jpc uses. jeffs car would make much more power, but it is setup with the intention of using nitrous. We could have made a few changes to make over 500 rwhp n/a but it would not have been safe to spray the nitrous. Also on another note, we dynoed a car recently that had wheels similar to jeffs wheels. The car made 408 rwhp, we put a set of stock wheels and tires we had at the shop on the rear, and the car made 428 rwhp with NOTHING else changed!!! Just goes to show how much "power" you lose with heavy wheels and tires, hince the variation in ''dyno'' numbers you will see.


Jeffs car is a beast for what it is, anyone that disagrees, has no idea what they are talking about. 479 hp to the tires with approx 20% power loss to the tires put him around 574 hp to the flywheel. That is 1.824 hp per ci. That is a huge amount of power I don't care what anyone says!!!

Great post about wheel weight and how they affect the car. That why I'm tryna stay stock 18's or at least stock weight

[Phuck Phace]

Great post about wheel weight and how they affect the car. That why I'm tryna stay stock 18's or at least stock weight

13" Daytons FTW.

[Dan12GT]

Great post about wheel weight and how they affect the car. That why I'm tryna stay stock 18's or at least stock weight

The stock wheels are not very light either :)

[GTRacerX]

Great post about wheel weight and how they affect the car. That why I'm tryna stay stock 18's or at least stock weight

Wow I didn't realize wheel weight could make that big a difference! I'm shopping around for some 20s right now but can't find anything on weight. Is there a thread about popular wheels and their weight?

[Luke]

Wow I didn't realize wheel weight could make that big a difference! I'm shopping around for some 20s right now but can't find anything on weight. Is there a thread about popular wheels and their weight?

One of the 5.0 mags had an article about it. They put Weld RTS' on the front and lost a tenth with no other changes

[GTRacerX]

One of the 5.0 mags had an article about it. They put Weld RTS' on the front and lost a tenth with no other changes

Makes sense I just don't want to be running around town looking like I'm driving to the track lol. I'm looking at the style wheel every other 5.0 owner has on there car the Avant Garde M310s or something similar. Again just don't know how much the 20s weigh?

[Luke]

Makes sense I just don't want to be running around town looking like I'm driving to the track lol.

Ha, that's exactly what I want, but spending $1500+ on just the fronts is a problem for my greedy ass

[GTRacerX]

Ha, that's exactly what I want, but spending $1500+ on just the fronts is a problem for my greedy ass

Oh yea I'm eyeing some HREs but they cost $2,200 a wheel. Too rich for my blood!

[Grandpa]

Makes sense I just don't want to be running around town looking like I'm driving to the track lol. I'm looking at the style wheel every other 5.0 owner has on there car the Avant Garde M310s or something similar. Again just don't know how much the 20s weigh?

I don't have an exact weight for you, but I do know my forged 20's are a lot lighter than my 19 inch stockers that came on my car. When my wheels were being put on at Discount Tire, I took a pic of the new wheels next to the old ones. I picked up the stocker to put in my truck and it was pretty heavy. So I went to lift my 20x11 with a 305 tire on it prepared for it to be heavy and almost fell over backwards cuz it flew up so easily being so much lighter. Jucostud was laughing at me cuz I was so surprised at the weight difference.

I know a lot of people think that a wheel like mine are just some sort of status symbol thing, but really a good, lightweight wheel is just as good as making more horsepower.

[JDMLOL]

13" Daytons FTW.

And some switchez...

[Toby]

Wow I didn't realize wheel weight could make that big a difference! I'm shopping around for some 20s right now but can't find anything on weight. Is there a thread about popular wheels and their weight?

It's not necessarily the overall weight, just where the weight is placed. The car we did the test on, the aftermarket wheels were only 2 lbs Heavier then the stockers, we weighed both the same day same scale. But the issue lies in the placement of the weight. With most aftermarket wheels, most of the weight is placed in the outer barrel and the tires with less weight towards the center.

Try this, take a 12" string and put a couple of fishing weights on it 6" from one end and spin it in circles. Now take those same weights and put them at the end of the 12" string and spin it. The weight is identical but you can see how much more force is required to keep the weight spinning when it is 12" from the center rather then 6" from the center. It's a matter of physics concerning rotating inertia.

[Toby]

I don't have an exact weight for you, but I do know my forged 20's are a lot lighter than my 19 inch stockers that came on my car. When my wheels were being put on at Discount Tire, I took a pic of the new wheels next to the old ones. I picked up the stocker to put in my truck and it was pretty heavy. So I went to lift my 20x11 with a 305 tire on it prepared for it to be heavy and almost fell over backwards cuz it flew up so easily being so much lighter. Jucostud was laughing at me cuz I was so surprised at the weight difference.

I know a lot of people think that a wheel like mine are just some sort of status symbol thing, but really a good, lightweight wheel is just as good as making more horsepower.

I would be willing to bet that a set of stock wheels/tires with similar weight will "show" more hp to the tires then your current setup.

[downtime!]

My car dyno'd almost 20 hp higher just by installing the Racestars over the Drifts I was running at the time. It does make a difference.

[re-rx7]

It's not necessarily the overall weight, just where the weight is placed. The car we did the test on, the aftermarket wheels were only 2 lbs Heavier then the stockers, we weighed both the same day same scale. But the issue lies in the placement of the weight. With most aftermarket wheels, most of the weight is placed in the outer barrel and the tires with less weight towards the center.

Try this, take a 12" string and put a couple of fishing weights on it 6" from one end and spin it in circles. Now take those same weights and put them at the end of the 12" string and spin it. The weight is identical but you can see how much more force is required to keep the weight spinning when it is 12" from the center rather then 6" from the center. It's a matter of physics concerning rotating inertia.

Once again Toby hits the nail on the head. I stumbled upon this back when I was younger with my civic. Had 17's but went back to stock and it felt like I gaines 20whp LOL:hands:

[GTRacerX]

So don't go to a bigger wheel and tire size and just stick with stock?

[re-rx7]

So don't go to a bigger wheel and tire size and just stick with stock?

Just do your reseach before purchasing a wheel.

[Grandpa]

So don't go to a bigger wheel and tire size and just stick with stock?

No. Just don't buy the usual heavy ass cast wheels.

[re-rx7]

No. Just don't buy the usual heavy ass cast wheels.
Truf!

[GTRacerX]

I was looking at te Forgestar F14s. 20x9 front and 20x11 rear. Largest tire size I'll probably go with in the back will be 305/30/20