Stock C6 vs. Stock 5.0

[GTRacerX]

Stock 2013 Mustang 5.0 vs Stock 2013 Base C6 Corvette. Just curious how we would fair?

[Junkie]

Should not end well for the 5.0. I know my 04 C5Z will run dead even or out run stock 5.0's. and an LS3 C6 is substantially faster.

[GTRacerX]

Well I know they have a little bit more horsepower and obviously they weigh less just curious how bad the vette would beat a 5.0

[Junkie]

All depends on the race. 50-150. At least 4+

[Zeek]

Bus lengths on the 5.0 vettes are way faster stock to stock

[STROKD]

All depends on the race. 50-150. At least 4+

Id say about 8.

[GTRacerX]

How much lighter?

[GTRacerX]

200-300 pounds?

[GTRacerX]

200-300 pounds?

Nevermind I Googled it. About 410 pounds

[re-rx7]

In 1/4 I'd say a drivers race.

[Luke]

In 1/4 I'd say a drivers race.

Only if the vette has a shitty driver.

When my car was stock I ran a stock C6 on drag radials at Kennedale, I tree'd him but by the 1/8th he had already caught me. His ET was lower but I got there first. Another 1/8 mile and he would have been well ahead. I have a video and timeslip, I'll see if I can find it when I get off work.

[46Tbird]

What does a stock C6 base coupe run anyway? Most of them I've seen are just like Mustangs, a good driver can get them to run in the 12s but most are in the 13s. Seems like it would be a good race to me.

There sure seem to be a lot of C5 and C6 cars represented here in stock Mustang territory: http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet--Corvette-Drag-Racing.html?resultpage=15

[DirtyD]

Stock Auto C6 would walk away. Stock Manual C6 would be a drivers race.

[GB_Stang]

I would definitely say it is a driver's race with the vette pulling up top. My 5.0 I could just get into the 12s. 12.8 @ 111. ( Manual-bad driving, Dallas Mustang tune-not so great) I did have the boss mani, tune, cold air, wider wheels and tires though. My stock vette has ran, at its slowest, a 12.4@ 116. The fastest being a 12.1@ 117. Stock everything...including the heavy ass run flats. It's an auto btw. I would say it takes full exhaust and intake on a stang and then it should start getting some c6 ls3s. It would be neck and neck with the ls2s stock. (07 and prior)

[46Tbird]

Really? Any stock auto Vette off the showroom floor will run a 12.1 @ 117? I did not know that.

[DirtyD]

I would definitely say it is a driver's race with the vette pulling up top. My 5.0 I could just get into the 12s. 12.8 @ 111. ( Manual-bad driving, Dallas Mustang tune-not so great) I did have the boss mani, tune, cold air, wider wheels and tires though. My stock vette has ran, at its slowest, a 12.4@ 116. The fastest being a 12.1@ 117. Stock everything...including the heavy ass run flats. It's an auto btw. I would say it takes full exhaust and intake on a stang and then it should start getting some c6 ls3s. It would be neck and neck with the ls2s stock. (07 and prior)
Hey Ryan, glad to see you back around. :wave:

[Dan12GT]

To me the cars although close in horsepower are in complete separate classes altogether. ~$50k car vs ~$30k car. The vette sits lower, lighter, just as powerful or more, MUCH better suspension and better weight distribution. The vette isn't light years ahead in the performance department but definitely has better overall sports car performance attributes that make it an all around better / faster car. Of course you could always match a gt500 with one but that wouldn't be fair and the C6Z06 would make it more even and still give the shelby a run in other aspects than just a strait line.

[46Tbird]

A C6 Z06 is a bad motherfucker. The Shelby would have it's hands full in a straight line, but can't even hope to compete in any other performance category.

[Dan12GT]

A C6 Z06 is a bad motherfucker. The Shelby would have it's hands full in a straight line, but can't even hope to compete in any other performance category.

Ya the ~100hp difference would give it a slight edge but not much. Shelby is a heavy beast.

[Dan12GT]

I like to think of it in terms of cost to modify. Most people with sports cars like to modify their cars a little or a lot. Cost to modify Vettes > Mustangs

[Grandpa]

Really? Any stock auto Vette off the showroom floor will run a 12.1 @ 117? I did not know that.

The LS3 cars run damn good stock and really respond to mods too. LG longtubes, cam and fast intake and they will make 480-490rw dipping into the high 10's.

A C6 Z06 is a bad motherfucker. The Shelby would have it's hands full in a straight line, but can't even hope to compete in any other performance category.

The C6 Z06 is a monster. Most people don't even know how much so because most owners you see with them dont' drive them very hard. A stock Z06 with a good driver (like Ranger) it will run 10.70-90's on a drag radial.

A lot of Z06's you see running high 11's because the owners are trying to run on the runflat tires because tires are so expensive. lol

[46Tbird]

Do the latest C6s have issues with the rear differentials / halfshafts? I remember it was always a big problem with C5s and that's why you wouldn't see them at a dragstrip... or if you did, they were being pushed away from the starting line half the time, lol. You always hear about "10 second Corvettes" but it is pretty damned rare to see one do it.

There were some really fast GM cars (C6s, '10+ Camaros, CTSVs) at the Motorplex when we went and they all had IRS so I guess GM has done something about it by now.

[Grandpa]

Ya the ~100hp difference would give it a slight edge but not much. Shelby is a heavy beast.

The Shelby's need to make 100-150rw more than the Vette they are racing in order to be dead even. The reason you don't see a lot more blown Vettes is because they don't need them as much. A bolt on LS3 Vette will easily hand most 5.0's their ass unfortunately. A 5.0 shouldn't even think about running a stock C6 Z06 unless it's boosted.

[DirtyD]

How did the original question about a STOCK C6 turn to a Z06 all of a sudden??

[DirtyD]

The OP clearly says base....but somehow Z06 came from all the reading. Lol

[46Tbird]

Here.
To me the cars although close in horsepower are in complete separate classes altogether. ~$50k car vs ~$30k car. The vette sits lower, lighter, just as powerful or more, MUCH better suspension and better weight distribution. The vette isn't light years ahead in the performance department but definitely has better overall sports car performance attributes that make it an all around better / faster car. Of course you could always match a gt500 with one but that wouldn't be fair and the C6Z06 would make it more even and still give the shelby a run in other aspects than just a strait line.

[GB_Stang]

I don't know about any...I am just saying mine did. I am also by far not the best driver. There is a fast list on the vette forum showing a lot of guys doing 11s, some as low as 11.6s all stock on stock rubber. Track conditions were real good for me too. 1500 DA and 65 degrees...

[GB_Stang]

To me the cars although close in horsepower are in complete separate classes altogether. ~$50k car vs ~$30k .

I paid 31k for mine with 24k miles btw.:rockit:

[Courtesy Flush]

I paid 31k for mine with 24k miles btw.:rockit:

I wanna say i have video of your vette running some low 12.1-.2's at crandall in decent air.
Auto car right?

[Dan12GT]

The Shelby's need to make 100-150rw more than the Vette they are racing in order to be dead even. The reason you don't see a lot more blown Vettes is because they don't need them as much. A bolt on LS3 Vette will easily hand most 5.0's their ass unfortunately. A 5.0 shouldn't even think about running a stock C6 Z06 unless it's boosted.

Well that's a given obvious fact. The shelby is heavy! 700+lbs heavier. I'm sure if the vette weighed the same the shelby would smoke it.

The OP clearly says base....but somehow Z06 came from all the reading. Lol

I was just giving an example the mustang's only real standing chance against vettes are our blow big brothers.

[GB_Stang]

Yup. It's an auto. There were lightly modded 5.0 autos running around the same times that day too.

[White_lightning]

Really? Any stock auto Vette off the showroom floor will run a 12.1 @ 117? I did not know that.

Ranger on Corvette forums took a BONE Stock z06. added Drag radials and ran high 10s. other wise stock.

[DirtyD]

Well that's a given obvious fact. The shelby is heavy! 700+lbs heavier. I'm sure if the vette weighed the same the shelby would smoke it.



I was just giving an example the mustang's only real standing chance against vettes are our blow big brothers.
I wasn't really talking directly to you, Danny. Just the conversation in general.

[Dan12GT]

I wasn't really talking directly to you, Danny. Just the conversation in general.

Well I pretty much sent it that direction :)

[Grandpa]

Ranger on Corvette forums took a BONE Stock z06. added Drag radials and ran high 10s. other wise stock.

I posted the video - 10.74 is what he ran

[46Tbird]

Ranger on Corvette forums took a BONE Stock z06. added Drag radials and ran high 10s. other wise stock.

I posted the video - 10.74 is what he ran

Oh, I know. Ranger and those guys rent out MIR in late December every year to make hero passes with -2000 DA and buckets of VHT. Still very impressive but they ain't gonna run those times at Ennis in June. :smoke2:

[Grandpa]

Oh, I know. Ranger and those guys rent out MIR in late December every year to make hero passes with -2000 DA and buckets of VHT. Still very impressive but they ain't gonna run those times at Ennis in June. :smoke2:

I agree. However, it does show the amazing potential of those cars be it a LS3 or LS7 car in stock or lightly modified form to which a 5.0 can't compete with.

Stock 5.0 vs stock LS3 Vette = drivers race.

Stock 5.0 vs stock Z06 = Z06 by a bunch.

Bolt-on 5.0 vs Bolt on LS3 = Vette with ease

Bolt-on 5.0 w/boost vs LS3 h/c/i = close race

Bolt on 5.0 w/boost vs h/c/i Z06 = Z06 by murder

[Courtesy Flush]

I agree. However, it does show the amazing potential of those cars be it a LS3 or LS7 car in stock or lightly modified form to which a 5.0 can't compete with.

Stock 5.0 vs stock LS3 Vette = drivers race.

Stock 5.0 vs stock Z06 = Z06 by a bunch.

Bolt-on 5.0 vs Bolt on LS3 = Vette with ease

Bolt-on 5.0 w/boost vs LS3 h/c/i = close race

Bolt on 5.0 w/boost vs h/c/i Z06 = Z06 by murder

welp thats it fellahs, our fates have been decided.

bench racing......:roflbow:

Ill keep my optimism and my car.

[Grandpa]

welp thats it fellahs, our fates have been decided.

bench racing......:roflbow:

Ill keep my optimism and my car.

Haha, yeah I know what you are saying. Honestly, I've always thought comparing a Mustang vs the Vette really isn't a fair comparison considering the Mustang is a 2+2 coupe and Vette is a two seater sports car, but this conversation is about answering the OP's original question.

A more fair comparison would be the old Camaro vs Mustang conversation in which the new Mustang dominates in every way.

[DirtyD]

Steve, you forgot something.




































http://www.ecarepackage.org/ecareshop/images/calculator.jpg

[Courtesy Flush]

Haha, yeah I know what you are saying. Honestly, I've always thought comparing a Mustang vs the Vette really isn't a fair comparison considering the Mustang is a 2+2 coupe and Vette is a two seater sports car, but this conversation is about answering the OP's original question.

A more fair comparison would be the old Camaro vs Mustang conversation in which the new Mustang dominates in every way.

im just giving you shit haha. My dad has an 11 C6 and we go at it constantly...from him putting his whataburger trash in my engine bay at C&C to me letting air out of all his tires. Its all in good fun.

The mustang vs corvette banter will never die.

[re-rx7]

I would definitely say it is a driver's race with the vette pulling up top. My 5.0 I could just get into the 12s. 12.8 @ 111. ( Manual-bad driving, Dallas Mustang tune-not so great) I did have the boss mani, tune, cold air, wider wheels and tires though. My stock vette has ran, at its slowest, a 12.4@ 116. The fastest being a 12.1@ 117. Stock everything...including the heavy ass run flats. It's an auto btw. I would say it takes full exhaust and intake on a stang and then it should start getting some c6 ls3s. It would be neck and neck with the ls2s stock. (07 and prior)

You barely broke into the 12's with all that? Jesus. Stock stands run that.

[Grandpa]

Steve, you forgot something.



http://www.ecarepackage.org/ecareshop/images/calculator.jpg

In your case that true, from my view point it's called experience. ;)

im just giving you shit haha. My dad has an 11 C6 and we go at it constantly...from him putting his whataburger trash in my engine bay at C&C to me letting air out of all his tires. Its all in good fun.

The mustang vs corvette banter will never die.

Haha, sounds like a good time. My Dad doesn't really care what he drives and just shakes his head at me with my toys. He rather give me shit for giving up on playing golf and bowling. lol

[GB_Stang]

You barely broke into the 12's with all that? Jesus. Stock stands run that.

I was ok with it. The track prep and temps weren't great. Blue devil, on this site, was there that night and barely dipping into the 12s also. He had exhaust and a throttle body and i think bigger gears in addition to me. Other than that we both had a tune, boss mani, and cold air. Wasn't just me...

[DirtyD]

I was ok with it. The track prep and temps weren't great. Blue devil, on this site, was there that night and barely dipping into the 12s also. He had exhaust and a throttle body and i think bigger gears in addition to me. Other than that we both had a tune, boss mani, and cold air. Wasn't just me...

Dale sold the GB 5.0.

He is now OG Fox. Rockin' THE '82 Fox 5.0

[GB_Stang]

Dale sold the GB 5.0.

He is now OG Fox. Rockin' THE '82 Fox 5.0

Yeah I've heard. That's crazy...it was beautiful.

[Doug1227]

He does have a clean ass vette though!

im just giving you shit haha. My dad has an 11 C6 and we go at it constantly...from him putting his whataburger trash in my engine bay at C&C to me letting air out of all his tires. Its all in good fun.

The mustang vs corvette banter will never die.

[JDMLOL]

The Shelby's need to make 100-150rw more than the Vette they are racing in order to be dead even. The reason you don't see a lot more blown Vettes is because they don't need them as much. A bolt on LS3 Vette will easily hand most 5.0's their ass unfortunately. A 5.0 shouldn't even think about running a stock C6 Z06 unless it's boosted.

Sounds about right, guys on here making roughly that much horse power over a stock zo6 are running very similar times to the zo6 in the vid.

[STROKD]

What does a stock C6 base coupe run anyway? Most of them I've seen are just like Mustangs, a good driver can get them to run in the 12s but most are in the 13s. Seems like it would be a good race to me.

There sure seem to be a lot of C5 and C6 cars represented here in stock Mustang territory: http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet--Corvette-Drag-Racing.html?resultpage=15

lol. My dad's STOCK LS2 C6 runs 12.5s... it makes 350 rw. A Ls3 car should make 385-400 stock, which should lay down a high 11 to low 12. I know 2 local stock auto LS3 cars that ran 12 flats at almost 120, on STOCK Runflats... And neither of them were Stigs...

[Luke]

I finally found the video, no timeslip though. And I lied I had exhaust (not that it made a difference). Anyway, here it is... auto 5.0 with exhaust on stock tires vs. stock C6 with 18" drag radials.

http://i907.photobucket.com/albums/ac278/carsandparts817/th_IMG_2579_zpsdf11dd82.jpg (http://i907.photobucket.com/albums/ac278/carsandparts817/IMG_2579_zpsdf11dd82.mp4)

[Junkie]

Man I just disagree.

No offense of course, but Me in my BONE STOCK C5 Z was dead locked with Greg in his 5.0. He is a great driver and I'm not horrible at it, both of us were dead on and dead even that night.

an LS3 car stock to stock will put 2-4 cars on me easily. So the stock 5.0 vs stock LS3 car being a "drivers race" just doesn't make sense to me. Unless there is a pro in the 5.0 and a handicapped grandmother in the Vette.

[Mrjeremyt]

Maybe the guy just didn't know how to drive, but I recently ran against a C6 in my 13 5.0. I've got 3" catback, steeda 101mm monster intake and a custome BAMA tune on 93 octane, we ran from 60 punch and I took him then several times from 30 punch. first pull from 30 he took me at gear shift since my ESC shut me down. but after I turned that off I had him by half a car for every other pull. Really think just a few bolt ons evened the competition??

[re-rx7]

I ran a C6 not sure of year and put a car or two on him. How can you distinguish between a ls3 and a pre 08 vettte? Different body moulding? Headlghts?

[Dominic Toretto]

I ran a C6 not sure of year and put a car or two on him. How can you distinguish between a ls3 and a pre 08 vettte? Different body moulding? Headlghts?

There are no body differences at all. The only differences would be in the wheels which you wouldn't be able to tell while driving. All body panels are the same for the entire generation run, just like the C5. Only differences are model differences, which even then don't change at all from year to year i.e. ZR1, ZO6, GS, narrowbody.

-Alex

[re-rx7]

Thanks. I didnt know if there were subtle differences like some companies do. What about the lil chrome accent badge on the front fender?

[Dominic Toretto]

Thanks. I didnt know if there were subtle differences like some companies do. What about the lil chrome accent badge on the front fender?

On earlier generations they had small changes within the same generation, like with C1s, C2s and C3s. Now they run the exact same body through the entire generation. Only changes are for model differences. Badging on the fenders just labels different models such as "ZR1", "ZO6", "Grand Sport" or "427" I believe for the convertible 427 car they released.

-Alex

[Phuck Phace]

I raced a Camaro once, said G2 on the front fenders so you know it was fast. Performance by Giggliotti bitches!

[GunsUp]

I raced a Camaro once, said G2 on the front fenders so you know it was fast. Performance by Giggliotti bitches!

In you're vato truck?