Low end??

[kanetrain]

Is there anything at all out that helps out with the low end on these cars? TB? Any other options on intake manifolds other than boss and cobra jet?

[Dan12GT]

TB will be felt more in the top end.

Keep the stock intake manifold if you want better low end. The boss manifold is cool and all but most people don't see much in terms of gains and you Will lose lowend / tq.

[Selcouth]

Blower

[downtime!]

^^^ This

[Midnight11]

Long tubes

[BLK2012GT]

Naaaawwwwwwssssss

[Grandpa]

Blower

Definetely this.

[Dan12GT]

Definetely this.

Root Blower for crazy low end.

[kanetrain]

I kind of want to keep it NA(as long as possible at least). What kind of changes do the full length headers make?

I haven't heard/read of many people changing the cams in these things, anyone have any input on that?

[BLK2012GT]

I kind of want to keep it NA(as long as possible at least). What kind of changes do the full length headers make?

I haven't heard/read of many people changing the cams in these things, anyone have any input on that?

Cams won't help low end. If anything you might even lose more but you pick up a lot on the top end.

[re-rx7]

Why do you need help in the low end? You pulling a trailer?

[kanetrain]

The car just feels sluggish in the lower range, I've even had people drive it and say "it's weird when you hit xxx rpm it feels like the car turns on" it's almost annoying. I've had a few different tunes put on it, so I'm pretty sure it's not the tune. BUT I've never had it dyno tuned...

[TrueStreetMotorSports.com]

The car just feels sluggish in the lower range, I've even had people drive it and say "it's weird when you hit xxx rpm it feels like the car turns on" it's almost annoying. I've had a few different tunes put on it, so I'm pretty sure it's not the tune. BUT I've never had it dyno tuned...

Have you had the car tuned? If not the "laziness" you are feeling is toque reduction set in the throttle body setting. Basically the throttle body opens much slower than when you actually apply the pedal. (this is tuned this way from ford)

Tune should help a bunch, Long tubes will help but are more for 2800rpm and above where they are going to shine.

Gears will also help stepping into a 3.55/3.73

Let me know if we can help

Clint Davis

[JDMLOL]

The car just feels sluggish in the lower range, I've even had people drive it and say "it's weird when you hit xxx rpm it feels like the car turns on" it's almost annoying...

That's the vtec kicking in. Lol.

[re-rx7]

Have you had the car tuned? If not the "laziness" you are feeling is toque reduction set in the throttle body setting. Basically the throttle body opens much slower than when you actually apply the pedal. (this is tuned this way from ford)

Tune should help a bunch, Long tubes will help but are more for 2800rpm and above where they are going to shine.

Gears will also help stepping into a 3.55/3.73

Let me know if we can help

Clint Davis
Great post. I think a tune would alleviate alot of what is irking him. My car feels strong down low.

That's the vtec kicking in. Lol.
Def the vtak!

[rriddle3]

That's always been a problem with OHC engines compared to OHV designs. You can usually wind the OHCs up higher, but the OHVs produce the low end torque, especially in the big cube versions.

[my95z28]

Long tubes are just going to accentuate the feeling. Honestly different gears and a tune are going to be your best bet. You already have 3.73s, maybe a 4.10?

[re-rx7]

That's always been a problem with OHC engines compared to OHV designs. You can usually wind the OHCs up higher, but the OHVs produce the low end torque, especially in the big cube versions.
Big cube version of anything makes tq.
Long tubes are just going to accentuate the feeling. Honestly different gears and a tune are going to be your best bet. You already have 3.73s, maybe a 4.10?
Jesus 4:10's would not be fun at all.:wtf:

[BLK2012GT]

I had 4.10's. got rid of them within 200 miles.

[Midnight11]

Long tubes are just going to accentuate the feeling. Honestly different gears and a tune are going to be your best bet. You already have 3.73s, maybe a 4.10?

I have longtubes it picked up low end it's not just a "feeling"

[re-rx7]

I have longtubes it picked up low end it's not just a "feeling"

Before and after dyno?:gathering:

[Midnight11]

Before and after dyno?:gathering:

Yea I have the graph

[re-rx7]

Post that bitch up!

[Midnight11]

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj70/nlorenzo08/null_zpscff0a10f.jpg

Still prob has more peak hp and tq bu it was a hot and humid day.

[BLK2012GT]

So six hp for long tubes? Hmmmmmm

[Midnight11]

Better thank 20k for 22hp lol

[BLK2012GT]

Better thank 20k for 22hp lol

I didn't spend that much tard and you have no clue what you're talking about. So keep posting your dyno graphs

[blownaltered]

Damn that 2.1 foot pounds of torque extra must shred those tires. How do you keep your tires from spinning in the rims. Did you borrow some of Steve's pop rivets to hold them in place.

[BLK2012GT]

Damn that 2.1 foot pounds of torque extra must shred those tires. How do you keep your tires from spinning in the rims. Did you borrow some of Steve's pop rivets to hold them in place.

:troll3: lol

[my95z28]

Big cube version of anything makes tq.

Jesus 4:10's would not be fun at all.:wtf:

I certainly wouldn't want them, just giving options for more low end like the OP asked for.



Still prob has more peak hp and tq bu it was a hot and humid day.

Heh, I stand corrected. You picked up far more low end than anything

[BLK2012GT]

We have a small block 302. There is no such thing as low end power or tq.

[Midnight11]

Cool it guys me and Jeff were joking

Brown you talk alot for someone who can't even beat Steve

[re-rx7]

Cool it guys me as Jeff were joking

Brown you talk alot for someone who can't even beat Steve

Steve in 3-2-1.....

[BLK2012GT]

Thread cleaned up back on subject.

[blownaltered]

Cool it guys me and Jeff were joking

Brown you talk alot for someone who can't even beat Steve

The difference is Steve will never admit he lost and is a mod so he can change what he wants. I also had a passenger and he didn't. So when I pulled by and fender on the first race and on the last one he pulled by a fender with a 150lbs less in my car I would have pulled further ahead.

The first two time we ever raced my car was untuned and running rich as hell so I never really went all out. I was shifting below 5500 and rolled into it. If he wants to brag about that its fine, but I laugh everytime I hear about it.

And you bragging about 2.1 ft lbs of torque is still a joke.

[BLK2012GT]

The difference is Steve will never admit he lost and is a mod so he can change what he wants. I also had a passenger and he didn't. So when I pulled by and fender on the first race and on the last one he pulled by a fender with a 150lbs less in my car I would have pulled further ahead.

The first two time we ever raced my car was untuned and running rich as hell so I never really went all out. I was shifting below 5500 and rolled into it. If he wants to brag about that its fine, but I laugh everytime I hear about it.

And you bragging about 2.1 ft lbs of torque is still a joke.

He's not bragging about his peak tq. He was showing what he gained down low.

[blownaltered]

He's not bragging about his peak tq. He was showing what he gained down low.

I realize that, its called busting balls.

[BLK2012GT]

I realize that, its called busting balls.

Bust Steve balls.

[re-rx7]

Balls everywhere.

[Midnight11]

I'm pretty sure foxes weigh way less than our cars so I'm sure it was actually pretty even

[blownaltered]

I'm pretty sure foxes weigh way less than our cars so I'm sure it was actually pretty even

Nope verts are heavy, look it up.

[Midnight11]

Vert. 3350

5.0 3660 so your point is invalid lol

[blownaltered]

Vert. 3350

5.0 3660 so your point is invalid lol

My vert is a little heavier. It would be around 3400 stock since it has leather and premium sound. Also have subs in the trunk with amp so that adds. Also you have to figure the weight of the supercharger with the piping. My car has no weight savings mods, it is over weight for what it should be. I would say my car is every bit as heavy as Steve's car, Steve actually thinks my car weighs more so ask him about it.

[Grandpa]

Better thank 20k for 22hp lol

Not like he cares, it wasn't his money! lol

I didn't spend that much tard and you have no clue what you're talking about. So keep posting your dyno graphs

No, YOU didn't. lol.

Damn that 2.1 foot pounds of torque extra must shred those tires. How do you keep your tires from spinning in the rims. Did you borrow some of Steve's pop rivets to hold them in place.

Says the guy running around on some reproductions of the most played out wheel ever in the Mustang world. :troll3:

The difference is Steve will never admit he lost and is a mod so he can change what he wants. I also had a passenger and he didn't. So when I pulled by and fender on the first race and on the last one he pulled by a fender with a 150lbs less in my car I would have pulled further ahead.

The first two time we ever raced my car was untuned and running rich as hell so I never really went all out. I was shifting below 5500 and rolled into it. If he wants to brag about that its fine, but I laugh everytime I hear about it.

And you bragging about 2.1 ft lbs of torque is still a joke.

Oh please, stop crying. lol Your passenger probably made up for the weight difference my fat ass brings to the table. Gimme a break. lol. Shoulda, coulda, woulda..you got beat by a stock coyote. So what, who cares, it was fun. I had never raced my car either when we raced the first time so that exuse goes right out the window. I didn't even know how to turn the traction control all the way off until we went to the track and that was after we raced.

I'm pretty sure foxes weigh way less than our cars so I'm sure it was actually pretty even

Yes, foxes weigh quite abit less. Donnie's car probably weighs about 150lbs more than stock which would put it around 3500lbs, with him in around 3700lbs. My car weighs around 3900lbs with me in it.

Nope verts are heavy, look it up.

Not THAT heavy, lol. It's still a fox bro which are quite abit lighter than todays Stangs.

My vert is a little heavier. It would be around 3400 stock since it has leather and premium sound. Also have subs in the trunk with amp so that adds. Also you have to figure the weight of the supercharger with the piping. My car has no weight savings mods, it is over weight for what it should be. I would say my car is every bit as heavy as Steve's car, Steve actually thinks my car weighs more so ask him about it.

The shipping weight of a Paxton 2000 kit is 90lbs. Your box and amp might add another 30-40lbs so your car isn't THAT much heavier than stock.

[Grandpa]

A quick Google search, according to Ford, Donnie's car weighs 3,333lbs. The automatics weighed 3,524lbs.

Donnie's car - 3,333lbs + 220lbs driver+ 120lbs extras = 3,653lbs

My GT - 3,603lbs+70lbs for premium options+300lbs driver = 3,973lbs.

3,973 - 3,653 = 320lbs

Donnie has a 320lb and 80rwhp advantage over me.

So Donnie is lighter and makes more power than I do. So that tells me that Donnie is a worse driver than I am! lol.





Dirty D will be proud of me for all this calculator racing!! :D

[Dan12GT]

Dirty D will be proud of me for all this calculator racing!! :D


^^ LOL!

In all seriousness the peak number isn't everything. Nick picked up an impressive amount of horse power and torque on the low end and the curve stayed above the previous curve all the way. The graph line did narrow in toward the top but that's to be expected when revving past 7k. If you are looking purely at the peak numbers you aren't looking at it fully.

[re-rx7]

^^ LOL!

In all seriousness the peak number isn't everything. Nick picked up an impressive amount of horse power and torque on the low end and the curve stayed above the previous curve all the way. The graph line did narrow in toward the top but that's to be expected when revving past 7k. If you are looking purely at the peak numbers you aren't looking at it fully.

So much win in this post.

[blownaltered]

A quick Google search, according to Ford, Donnie's car weighs 3,333lbs. The automatics weighed 3,524lbs.

Donnie's car - 3,333lbs + 220lbs driver+ 120lbs extras = 3,653lbs

My GT - 3,603lbs+70lbs for premium options+300lbs driver = 3,973lbs.

3,973 - 3,653 = 320lbs

Donnie has a 320lb and 80rwhp advantage over me.

So Donnie is lighter and makes more power than I do. So that tells me that Donnie is a worse driver than I am! lol.





Dirty D will be proud of me for all this calculator racing!! :D


http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a536/blownaltered/image-2_zps46f7981e.jpg (http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/blownaltered/media/image-2_zps46f7981e.jpg.html)

[blownaltered]

A quick Google search, according to Ford, Donnie's car weighs 3,333lbs. The automatics weighed 3,524lbs.

Donnie's car - 3,333lbs + 220lbs driver+ 120lbs extras = 3,653lbs

My GT - 3,603lbs+70lbs for premium options+300lbs driver = 3,973lbs.

3,973 - 3,653 = 320lbs

Donnie has a 320lb and 80rwhp advantage over me.

So Donnie is lighter and makes more power than I do. So that tells me that Donnie is a worse driver than I am! lol.





Dirty D will be proud of me for all this calculator racing!! :D

Come on I can use google as well and the cars you looked up had cloth not leather. It does add weight. But you car in premium weighs no more than 3620 by ever site I've looked at where someone weighed there cars. So everything in my car besides the heads weighs more than stock including my new transmission and I'm still supposed to be at 3400 before amp, supercharger, speaker, etc. ok. Now between me and Jason we weigh damn near 400 lbs lets not forget that.

235 +155 = 390
So 390 + 3400 + 150= 3940
Your car by my math weighs 3903 so I'm heavier.
Hell in person you have said my car was heavier than yours a hundred times but on the boards oh no my car is light.

Also the real big advantage of the new mustangs is the transmission gearing.

2011 gt
1 3.66
2 2.43
3 1.69
4 1.32
5 1.0
6 0.65
Rear end 3.31

Tko 600
1 2.87
2 1.89
3 1.28
4 1.0
5 0.64
Rear gear on mine is 3.27

I would need at least 3.55 to make up the tranny gearing differences in the car. I need new rear gears anyways so it's on the list but I don't feel like doing it for now. Use google some more Steve but you might want to buy a new calculator because your math doesn't add up

[Midnight11]

You both are slow /thread

[re-rx7]

Both of yall are fat!:Get him!:

[Grandpa]

Come on I can use google as well and the cars you looked up had cloth not leather. It does add weight. But you car in premium weighs no more than 3620 by ever site I've looked at where someone weighed there cars. So everything in my car besides the heads weighs more than stock including my new transmission and I'm still supposed to be at 3400 before amp, supercharger, speaker, etc. ok. Now between me and Jason we weigh damn near 400 lbs lets not forget that.

235 +155 = 390
So 390 + 3400 + 150= 3940
Your car by my math weighs 3903 so I'm heavier.
Hell in person you have said my car was heavier than yours a hundred times but on the boards oh no my car is light.

Also the real big advantage of the new mustangs is the transmission gearing.

2011 gt
1 3.66
2 2.43
3 1.69
4 1.32
5 1.0
6 0.65
Rear end 3.31

Tko 600
1 2.87
2 1.89
3 1.28
4 1.0
5 0.64
Rear gear on mine is 3.27

I would need at least 3.55 to make up the tranny gearing differences in the car. I need new rear gears anyways so it's on the list but I don't feel like doing it for now. Use google some more Steve but you might want to buy a new calculator because your math doesn't add up

LOL, well you are right about one thing in this post, something doesn't add up. There is no reason my slow, stock car with my no driving extra fat ass should be even close to your built blown car. :owned:

[Grandpa]

Both of yall are fat!:Get him!:

I'm fat, you're stupid..I can diet and you can't fix stupid.

[re-rx7]

:challenge:Apparently you cant fix the fat....Im stupid?

[downtime!]

Just for the sake of argument, my car has pretty much all the options save for the nav system and the glass roof. 6 speed manual as well. At MIR, with 3/8 tank of gas, Drag Stars and 275/60 MT's on the back and the stock 19" wheels and 245/45's on the front, it weighed 3755 with me in it.

[Luke]

Just for the sake of argument, my car has pretty much all the options save for the nav system and the glass roof. 6 speed manual as well. At MIR, with 3/8 tank of gas, Drag Stars and 275/60 MT's on the back and the stock 19" wheels and 245/45's on the front, it weighed 3755 with me in it.

Well how big a guy are ya?!

[blownaltered]

Just for the sake of argument, my car has pretty much all the options save for the nav system and the glass roof. 6 speed manual as well. At MIR, with 3/8 tank of gas, Drag Stars and 275/60 MT's on the back and the stock 19" wheels and 245/45's on the front, it weighed 3755 with me in it.

How much do you weigh?

[blownaltered]

LOL, well you are right about one thing in this post, something doesn't add up. There is no reason my slow, stock car with my no driving extra fat ass should be even close to your built blown car. :owned:

It's not built. It still has the stock short block for god sakes. Hell I still have the stock rear gears in the car. Would a built car still have that?

[Grandpa]

It's not built. It still has the stock short block for god sakes. Hell I still have the stock rear gears in the car. Would a built car still have that?

It's a racecar compared to my stock car. Stock motor, stock gears, etc. :favorites37:

[blownaltered]

It's a racecar compared to my stock car. Stock motor, stock gears, etc. :favorites37:

Steve just because my car has more mods than yours does not make it a race car. Once I get a built motor then you can talk all the shit you want but till then no race car. Since I have no plans in the immediate future to build a motor you have a long wait. I will be changing gears shortly and fixing my tach but no built motor.

[Grandpa]

Steve just because my car has more mods than yours does not make it a race car. Once I get a built motor then you can talk all the shit you want but till then no race car. Since I have no plans in the immediate future to build a motor you have a long wait. I will be changing gears shortly and fixing my tach but no built motor.

You are taking this WAY too seriously. Its our hobby, just have fun with it all. Racing, fun smack talk, hanging out, car shows, it's part of all the fun! I'm not taking any of this seriously at all. I'm just excited you have a car again and we can have some fun. Don't let the competitive stuff drive you nuts, just have fun with it. :happy107:

[re-rx7]

Everyday I hear Steve say his car is stock....

[blownaltered]

Everyday I hear Steve say his car is stock....

It's bone stock besides the aftermarket parts that have been installed. :jester:

[blownaltered]

You are taking this WAY too seriously. Its our hobby, just have fun with it all. Racing, fun smack talk, hanging out, car shows, it's part of all the fun! I'm not taking any of this seriously at all. I'm just excited you have a car again and we can have some fun. Don't let the competitive stuff drive you nuts, just have fun with it. :happy107:

Hell I haven't even driven the car since the last time we were out. I have been swamped and the weather has sucked when I do get a chance. Hopefully I get to drive it this weekend but I'm not holding my breath.

[Grandpa]

Everyday I hear Steve say his car is stock....

It is for the most part. An Hpipe and now a shifter..whoopty-doo! lol. The Hpipe doesn't make power, it frees up existing power and it's not even that much. The car is still slow as fuck which is the funny part of it. I either have to put my blower on soon or I will sell this thing out of boredom.

It's bone stock besides the aftermarket parts that have been installed. :jester:

lol
Hell I haven't even driven the car since the last time we were out. I have been swamped and the weather has sucked when I do get a chance. Hopefully I get to drive it this weekend but I'm not holding my breath.

Man, anytime you want to go cruisin just let me know. I know a fun backroads way up to Fairview. We can cruise up to Twisted Root for a burger and hang out then cruise back. Doesn't have to be racing all the time. haha.

[blownaltered]

It is for the most part. An Hpipe and now a shifter..whoopty-doo! lol. The Hpipe doesn't make power, it frees up existing power and it's not even that much. The car is still slow as fuck which is the funny part of it. I either have to put my blower on soon or I will sell this thing out of boredom.



lol


Man, anytime you want to go cruisin just let me know. I know a fun backroads way up to Fairview. We can cruise up to Twisted Root for a burger and hang out then cruise back. Doesn't have to be racing all the time. haha.

I will get with you on the twisted root. That sounds like a good time. As for racing the only times my car has been raced are against you. I don't drive the car that hard. It is just a fun cruiser.

[re-rx7]

Offroad H? You have more then me.

[JDMLOL]

Off topic, but I love you guy's witty "locations". Lol.

[BLK2012GT]

It is for the most part. An Hpipe and now a shifter..whoopty-doo! lol. The Hpipe doesn't make power, it frees up existing power and it's not even that much. The car is still slow as fuck which is the funny part of it. I either have to put my blower on soon or I will sell this thing out of boredom.



lol


Man, anytime you want to go cruisin just let me know. I know a fun backroads way up to Fairview. We can cruise up to Twisted Root for a burger and hang out then cruise back. Doesn't have to be racing all the time. haha.

Don't you have a tune also?

[Midnight11]

Ill take the blower

[thehead]

Looking at the graph it was making 30-50 more lbft of torque up until 3700 rpm. That is enough for a good seat of the pants feel and should help get down the track. I'm actually pretty impressed with those graphs.