30k miles, Blown motor.

[pollila]

2011 GT, noticed a clacking noise as I drove in this morning. Went to dealer, they said there was NO OIL in the car, have to replace motor.

I got a full synthetic oil change 1 yr ago, have been to the dealer 3 times since then for an alignment and a couple warranty issues, they do the 30pt inspection each time and mark off that the oil is OK.

thats why I havent checked it myself, last time was only 2 months ago, took to dealer and they checked on the inspection that the oil was OK, apparently they just rubberstamped the inspection and never actually looked, other wise how does 8qts of oil dissapear in 2 months? there are no leaks.

now have to battle with Ford or the dealer to see who can pay 10,000 for a new motor....

joy. any advice?

[BLK2012GT]

And that there kids is why I change my own oil. Good luck with this fuck up its going to be messy.

[DirtyD]

Damn. Being you have the multi-point inspection sheet showing it is perfectly fine, I would hope they will believe you when you tell them you honestly have not checked it yourself.

Good luck man

[Phuck Phace]

Damn, tell them you need the boss engine.

[BLK2012GT]

GT500 engine

[blownaltered]

how many miles did you put on it since the last change?

[pollila]

it was due for an oil change for sure, I just hadn't done it yet because last oil change was 10k miles ago and I put in full synthetic and SUPPOSEDLY that was good for 10k miles.

but the reason I didnt do it the last couple months was because I had been bringing it to the ford dealer (don davis arlingont) and they had been SUPPOSEDLY checking the oil in the 30pt inspection.

I have responsibility for sure to check my oil and change it, but when I am trusting what the dealer tells me that my oil is OK, why would I doubt it??

also, there was NEVER any warning light or indication of low oil or pressure... the dealer said there were 2 quarts left in it.

[Grandpa]

My advice would be to check your oil once in awhile. While you may not change it yourself there is no reason not to be checking it. You are a car guy this should be a no brainer.
Damn, tell them you need the boss engine.

Agreed.

GT500 engine

Boss > gt500

The gt500 uses the same powdered metal rods the GT does. The internals in the boss are better suited for more power. Why that is i have no idea. Seems pretty stupid to me for the flagship Stang to use a weak motor like that. A lot of 13 gt500s have been struggling to keep their motors together over 650rw.

[Midnight11]

these motors do burn oil. i always check my level periodically

[JDBishopArts]

Yes I always check mine too but holy crap, 10k miles and you didn't personally check it? I'm surprised no one else has asked this but does your car have any mods?

[jng2985]

jesus! Good luck man.. Be happy you have ford service receipts and dont be surprised when you hear some out of the park reasons for the vanishing oil.

[STROKD]

sad sad day. do your cars not have idiot lights? I NEVER checked my damn VW's, one day as I was driving to the dealer it went berzerk and said shut engine down low oil... I turned it off and coasted into the VW service bay about half a mile away... lol turns out it was only a qt low...

[MidWest281]

Oh, Hi.

[MidWest281]

...let me know how that turns out....

[Toby]

And that is why 10k miles on an oil change is the most redeculious thing i have heard. I would never even consider putting that many miles on an oil change. 3k miles it gets changes regardless of the type.

[STROKD]

And that is why 10k miles on an oil change is the most redeculious thing i have heard. I would never even consider putting that many miles on an oil change. 3k miles it gets changes regardless of the type.

Totally agree, but my VW's are free at 10k and I dont gaf if they blow up. lmao... For a high power 5.0 though, yea, Id pay to change it at least every 5k. The Vettes at 5k seem to look pretty good, and I add a qt or two in between changes as necessary.

[GrabberMatt]

Mods?

[pohnjarker]

damn, hope this works out for the better. i second on asking for the Boss motor...haha

[downtime!]

Seriously? 10k and you never lifted the hood even once? My oil gets changed every 3000 miles (even running full synthetic) and I have the hood up every weekend doing something (cleaning, adding something, whatever) so it's just common practice to check the oil.

And just an FYI, but if any of your cars are using oil, you need to get it looked at. My car has 32000 miles, gets driven hard regularly, and doesn't use a drop between changes.

[OG Fox]

it was due for an oil change for sure, I just hadn't done it yet because last oil change was 10k miles ago and I put in full synthetic and SUPPOSEDLY that was good for 10k miles.

but the reason I didnt do it the last couple months was because I had been bringing it to the ford dealer (don davis arlingont) and they had been SUPPOSEDLY checking the oil in the 30pt inspection.

I have responsibility for sure to check my oil and change it, but when I am trusting what the dealer tells me that my oil is OK, why would I doubt it??

also, there was NEVER any warning light or indication of low oil or pressure... the dealer said there were 2 quarts left in it.

ummm, i dont care what they tell you, change the oil at least every 5k, if not 3k. also these motors go through oil pretty quick. this is not surprising that you burned through all your oil in 10k. I was two quarts low after a track day once. but the fact that you regularly had the car checked at the ford dealership should help your case. was the oil change light not coming on? those things usually go by the amount of miles you drive.

[saunupe1911]

My Coyote, burned oil in between that 10k to 20k mile period. I checked it one morning and it was low as hell. I went to Bill Utter Ford and had them put it on their Oil usage interval test. It didn't burn enough oil to warrant a new motor. It burned like half a quart the next 5k miiles, which seems to normal for these motors. I currently use Mobile 1 Advanced Full Synthetic and now I don't burn much if any at all at close to 35k. So original poster, change that oil every 5k bro. I wouldn't dare go 1 mile over 5k even though my oil is guranteed at 15k interval. Good luck on everything. At least you have paperwork proving your point.

[Grandpa]

LOL, I've already come to terms with I will be putting a new motor in this car at some point but I won't be doing it with another stock motor!

[GrabberMatt]

im on motor #2 :doh2:

[blownaltered]

And that is why 10k miles on an oil change is the most redeculious thing i have heard. I would never even consider putting that many miles on an oil change. 3k miles it gets changes regardless of the type.

I can't agree more. It drives me nuts watching these guys here changing their oil every 10k miles. It doesn't matter what the oil company says that oil can do, changing your oil every 3k to 5k will save you 5k on a new motor. For the guys not changing your oil here is some math for you. If you put 100k on the motor and change your oil every 10k, you will change the oil 10 times. Lets say a 100 bucks a pop so that is a $1000. Every 5k would be 20 times so that would be $2000. So over 6 years you would have spent an extra $1000. Now you decided to save that $1000 over 6 years so now you get to spend $5000 now, makes sense to me.

[Grandpa]

I can't agree more. It drives me nuts watching these guys here changing their oil every 10k miles. It doesn't matter what the oil company says that oil can do, changing your oil every 3k to 5k will save you 5k on a new motor. For the guys not changing your oil here is some math for you. If you put 100k on the motor and change your oil every 10k, you will change the oil 10 times. Lets say a 100 bucks a pop so that is a $1000. Every 5k would be 20 times so that would be $2000. So over 6 years you would have spent an extra $1000. Now you decided to save that $1000 over 6 years so now you get to spend $5000 now, makes sense to me.


Get outta here with that common sense stuff, mister!

[Dark Pony]

I ran my Silverados and Sierras 8-10k miles all the time with Mobil 1 and they ran perfect. I take a different mindset with sportscars...especially ones that are driven hard. I change mine every month...which unfortunately ends up being 3k miles...:facepalm:

[STROKD]

I can't agree more. It drives me nuts watching these guys here changing their oil every 10k miles. It doesn't matter what the oil company says that oil can do, changing your oil every 3k to 5k will save you 5k on a new motor. For the guys not changing your oil here is some math for you. If you put 100k on the motor and change your oil every 10k, you will change the oil 10 times. Lets say a 100 bucks a pop so that is a $1000. Every 5k would be 20 times so that would be $2000. So over 6 years you would have spent an extra $1000. Now you decided to save that $1000 over 6 years so now you get to spend $5000 now, makes sense to me.

Exactly, doesnt make sense if you plan to keep the car a long time. I havent put 100k on one car in my life... my 86 has about 65k or so on it from when I bought it, and its going on it's 6th engine. The vert we bought new, but it only has 105k on it and its on its second engine, and I didnt drive it but maybe 1/3 those miles from new...

For the VWs they are slow and dont use any oil. The dealer makes me wait 10k to change the oil for free, so I wait... I dont care if it blows up, its under warranty and its VW's fault if it booms up making me wait for oil changes. I got 11,300 out of my last oil change, oil light never came on.

[46Tbird]

Just FYI, a Ford dealership will not pay to put in a Boss 302 service replacement engine in a GT under any circumstances that I'm aware of. Maybe your sister-in-law's baby cousin Tracy said it can happen, but a Ford service manager isn't going to be able to get it approved. I already asked. lmao

[TrueStreetMotorSports.com]

Did the low oil light not come on?

[IHateThisSite]

Look at TS coming in with the logical question .... Not that it really matters at this point ... Damage is done... And I vote 5k miles not 3k miles ... 3k is a waste and I have never seen any proof that oil changes at 3k give any added bonus over 5k

[MidWest281]

what ever happened with this?

[Midnight11]

congrats on getting it covered by ford ;)

[MidWest281]

congrats on getting it covered by ford ;)

covered by Ford you say....
:challenge:

[Midnight11]

dont shoot the messenger lol

[MidWest281]

wait...is that for real?!?!

[PLASMAN]

What he got a boss engine too? Jk

[Pepperinyoureye]

Yeah 10k interval is real stupid. I check mine every week and do 5k intervals and haven't burned a drop at 22k miles.

[Austin@BA-Speed]

Whats the point in checking your oil every week if you know it hasn't burned any oil in the last 22k?

[Pepperinyoureye]

Never been paranoid with shit breaking until buying this car.

[03MachMe]

Whats the point in checking your oil every week if you know it hasn't burned any oil in the last 22k?

What's the harm?

[Austin@BA-Speed]

Not really saying its a bad thing, just be confident in your Ford!

[03MachMe]

Not really saying its a bad thing, just be confident in your Ford!

I agree. Better safe than sorry tho

[Dan12GT]

There must have been something wrong with your motor to cause something like that. I personally have changed mine at the 10k mark my 1st change with RP and then again at 16k with Amsoil. I changed earlier mainly because I heard mixed things about RP at that point and found Amsoil to have a much better rep so I went ahead with that. TO be honest I was simply excited to just try it.

I also fully plan on going the full 10k recommended change interval as Ford recommends. Each time so far that I have changed my oil it drained what appeared to be the full 8qrts. if not than damn close to it. I can't imagine Ford recommending 10k interval changes if there was any lick of a doubt that might be too long to wait and would potentially cause major problems. That simply would not be a smart move by Ford if there was a risk for motor failure due to waiting a long period of time to change the oil but disregarding that and telling people to change their oil at 10k miles anyway.

I also am going to do an oil analysis after my 10k miles on this oil to see exactly how well it held up.

I personally would only recommend changing the oil more frequently if you are heavily modified or race as those are not what Ford considers as daily operations of our vehicles.

I worked for a GM dealership years back and the service manager explained to me there is a big misunderstanding with modern motor oils. Decades ago there was a lot higher risk for sludge buildup in motors due to the materials and chemicals that comprised the older motor oils. This is why oil was changed frequent enough so that this buildup could be avoided. With all the advanced chemicals present in modern oils of today that "sludge" factor is near completely eliminated (under normal operations and oil changed within manufacturer recommended intervals). We can easily run oil for a much longer duration without risk of harm to our engines.

[pollila]

Don Davis came through for me, they dug deeper in the engine and found it should be warrantied so they are fixing it up under warranty.

midnight11, how did you know they were covering it?

anyway, Don Davis just won some customer loyalty ;)

[Midnight11]

i know everything ;)


nah i have a friend in parts and he told me when i bought some stuff...

[Dan12GT]

Glad to hear you are being taken care of as you should.

[MidWest281]

Don Davis came through for me, they dug deeper in the engine and found it should be warrantied so they are fixing it up under warranty.

midnight11, how did you know they were covering it?

anyway, Don Davis just won some customer loyalty ;)


I'll be at Don Davis on Tuesday. I might inquire as to what they found.

[Rreemo]

I was initially wondering why it wouldn't be covered if this car is still in powertrain? Was the question b/c it has been 10K since an oil change, or just simply that Ford doesn't cover shit anymore?